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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by cthia   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:59 am

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Relax wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:ISTR textev that Honor wondered how the 'cats would react to the fact that 2 legs would live longer than 'cats.

ISTR... mind blank... Is what book? None I remember. Short story?

Relax, I seem to recall pretty much the same thing as George, but keep in mind that my memory hasn't the benefit of prolong. I also remember a related thought of Honor's during the same passage that Nimitz wouldn't have to suffer from her death preceding his, in a nutshell. Can't remember the source either but the related neuron seems to be firing.

Lest my memory is making me out to be the nut in the shell. Which has happened to me so often that squirrels keep a watchful eye on me. LOL

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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by MaxxQ   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:01 pm

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Relax wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:ISTR textev that Honor wondered how the 'cats would react to the fact that 2 legs would live longer than 'cats.

ISTR... mind blank... Is what book? None I remember. Short story?


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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by Theemile   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:05 pm

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Relax wrote:I remember quotes regarding prolong:

Not sure which book(s): Essentially, Humans were now able to live as long as Treecats.

Not sure which book(s), but says each treecat tail ring is ??? years and they can have "?" of them which essentially means they live ~~~ 250T years, or ~40 Sphinxian years.

I always assumed DW made Prolong to match Treecat life expectancy. Therefore when Honor died finally of old age, Nimitz would also. Or vice versa.

So I always assumed about 250->300 years or so?


It should also be mentioned that the lifespan, and limitations of Prolong are still very theoretical. The original treatments were only given ~120 years ago, so no one has explored the latter 1/2 to 2/3rds of the expected lifespan. Prolong treatments could easily be found to last even longer, either naturally or with a future found treatment, or have other unforeseen ramifications. For example, we don't know if a 3rd gen recipient will look 21 for the rest of their lives, or at some remote point suddenly age 60 years in less than a decade as their body rapidly shuts down.

It's all fodder for David's pen.
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by cthia   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:15 pm

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Theemile wrote:
Relax wrote:I remember quotes regarding prolong:

Not sure which book(s): Essentially, Humans were now able to live as long as Treecats.

Not sure which book(s), but says each treecat tail ring is ??? years and they can have "?" of them which essentially means they live ~~~ 250T years, or ~40 Sphinxian years.

I always assumed DW made Prolong to match Treecat life expectancy. Therefore when Honor died finally of old age, Nimitz would also. Or vice versa.

So I always assumed about 250->300 years or so?


It should also be mentioned that the lifespan, and limitations of Prolong are still very theoretical. The original treatments were only given ~120 years ago, so no one has explored the latter 1/2 to 2/3rds of the expected lifespan. Prolong treatments could easily be found to last even longer, either naturally or with a future found treatment, or have other unforeseen ramifications. For example, we don't know if a 3rd gen recipient will look 21 for the rest of their lives, or at some remote point suddenly age 60 years in less than a decade as their body rapidly shuts down.

It's all fodder for David's pen.

Excellent point Theemile. In fact, although my memory still supports my post upstream at top of waterfall, I should have been more precise that my memory also seems to recall Honor's thoughts given as a conditional. That she may live longer than Nimitz.

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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by saber964   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:42 pm

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Treecats can live up to 48 Sphinxian years old or somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 standard years. IIRC it in the short story What Price Dreams.

Also prolong was first developed in the 1820's PD.
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by Theemile   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:28 pm

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saber964 wrote:Treecats can live up to 48 Sphinxian years old or somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 standard years. IIRC it in the short story What Price Dreams.

Also prolong was first developed in the 1820's PD.


Ah, right, I was remembering the age of the oldest recipients, not the age of the treatment. It makes my point even more stridently - no one has had even 1st gen treatments for more than 100 years - the actual length and long term effects of all forms of Prolong are all just theoretical at this point; Most likely well formed and researched theory, but still an unknown with no actual empirical evidence in humans over 100 years (or less, depending on the treatment gen.)
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by saber964   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:34 pm

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Theemile wrote:
saber964 wrote:Treecats can live up to 48 Sphinxian years old or somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 standard years. IIRC it in the short story What Price Dreams.

Also prolong was first developed in the 1820's PD.


Ah, right, I was remembering the age of the oldest recipients, not the age of the treatment. It makes my point even more stridently - no one has had even 1st gen treatments for more than 100 years - the actual length and long term effects of all forms of Prolong are all just theoretical at this point; Most likely well formed and researched theory, but still an unknown with no actual empirical evidence in humans over 100 years (or less, depending on the treatment gen.)



They probably tested the effects of pro-long on lab animals like rats which have a fairly short life span which IIRC is 3-4 years.
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by Louis R   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:56 pm

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What we know about it is here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/25/1

here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/25/1

Here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/274/1

and here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/274/1

DMcCunney wrote:My impression is somewhere between 300 and 400 years, with the specific recipient and the generation of Prolong they got being factors. I don't know if David covered it in a FAQ somewhere, and pointers are welcome if he did.

It's also clear that Prolong is not "one and done". Full effectiveness requires periodic booster shots.

What brought this to mind is a bit in Shadow of Victory, where former Solarian League Gendarme Damian Hardahap is offered a job with the Alingment by Isobel Bardassano, and recalls being told one of the upgrades when he got when he joined was a Prolong booster shot that added additional century to his life. (I don't see that as something Isobel would have reason to lie about.)

It appears the Alignment has been continuing all sorts of research, and their current version of Prolong may be superior to Beowulf's.
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by Louis R   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:58 pm

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From which, BTW, Dennis, you should be able to determine that some of what's been said is incorrect, and more simplified.

Louis R wrote:What we know about it is here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/25/1

here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/25/1

Here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/274/1

and here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/274/1

DMcCunney wrote:My impression is somewhere between 300 and 400 years, with the specific recipient and the generation of Prolong they got being factors. I don't know if David covered it in a FAQ somewhere, and pointers are welcome if he did.

It's also clear that Prolong is not "one and done". Full effectiveness requires periodic booster shots.

What brought this to mind is a bit in Shadow of Victory, where former Solarian League Gendarme Damian Hardahap is offered a job with the Alingment by Isobel Bardassano, and recalls being told one of the upgrades when he got when he joined was a Prolong booster shot that added additional century to his life. (I don't see that as something Isobel would have reason to lie about.)

It appears the Alignment has been continuing all sorts of research, and their current version of Prolong may be superior to Beowulf's.
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Re: How long does a Prolong recipient live?
Post by robert132   » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:09 pm

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kzt wrote:Until they die.

The Honorverse is performing a massive uncontrolled experiment on all of humanity.


I would expect that even WITHOUT Prolong, state of the art medical science in the Honorverse era would extend the useful human life from today's expectancy of 70 to 80 years to a possible 120 years or more, give or take depending upon the abuse you might heap on your body from "recreational" drugs or other such idiocy.
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