US Presidential Candidates

Eyal wrote:Oh the irony

Trump's most senior staff use a private email server

"This is the same RNC email server that mysteriously disappeared 22 million messages during George W Bush's administration"

Ooh THAT one...

Eyal wrote:Oh the irony

Trump's most senior staff use a private email server

Yeah, ironic and stupid of them. Let's see if they pull a Bush, Clinton or submit the docs. Of course, if they do submit the docs, how long before there's a leak?

biochem wrote:Did you see those protests??? Vulgar is a good descriptor.

Did you understand what the protests were about?

I refer you back to my "they both said the word, they're equally racist" analogy. If you find the subject matter of the protests disturbing I can only assume you are horrified at it coming from the guy that just took over control of the White House rather than at the people who are saying something about it.

PeterZ wrote:

Eyal wrote:Oh the irony

Trump's most senior staff use a private email server

Yeah, ironic and stupid of them. Let's see if they pull a Bush, Clinton or submit the docs. Of course, if they do submit the docs, how long before there's a leak?

I think the more telling point is that Trump is basing his entire bullshit claim that there were millions of fraudulent votes that cost him the popular vote on people with the same name being registered to vote in more than one state (even when they're not the same person, as in "Joe Smith" cast a vote in California and "Joe Smith" cast a vote in New York! Duplicate vote!!!!) ...when this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/ ... index.html

and this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

oh and this...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2956043


But of course Trump isn't actually interested in non existent voter fraud. He's just interested in pounding his chest to try to convince people he didn't really lose the popular vote by 3 million because it bruises his ego that he did.

gcomeau wrote:But of course Trump isn't actually interested in non existent voter fraud. He's just interested in pounding his chest to try to convince people he didn't really lose the popular vote by 3 million because it bruises his ego that he did.

And this is feeding ever so nicely into the republican party's long-term strategy of disenfranchising anyone who might be considered a democrat voter.

gcomeau wrote:I think the more telling point is that Trump is basing his entire bullshit claim that there were millions of fraudulent votes that cost him the popular vote on people with the same name being registered to vote in more than one state (even when they're not the same person, as in "Joe Smith" cast a vote in California and "Joe Smith" cast a vote in New York! Duplicate vote!!!!) ...when this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/ ... index.html

and this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

oh and this...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2956043


But of course Trump isn't actually interested in non existent voter fraud. He's just interested in pounding his chest to try to convince people he didn't really lose the popular vote by 3 million because it bruises his ego that he did.

NTM that being registered to vote in two states (as opposed to actually voting in two states) isn;t actually illegal. Example - Tiffany Trump

And it looks like pretty much the entire senior management team at State has now resigned...


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top ... ip-resigns

(We are not talking about a bunch of Obama appointees here. Career diplomats who have served through both party's administrations.)


I'm sure a bunch of Trump supporters will unthinkingly cheer it as "draining the swamp" not understanding who these people are they are talking about.

(And now I'm seeing reports the resignations may have all been requested. How surprised would I not be...)

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
Yeah, ironic and stupid of them. Let's see if they pull a Bush, Clinton or submit the docs. Of course, if they do submit the docs, how long before there's a leak?

I think the more telling point is that Trump is basing his entire bullshit claim that there were millions of fraudulent votes that cost him the popular vote on people with the same name being registered to vote in more than one state (even when they're not the same person, as in "Joe Smith" cast a vote in California and "Joe Smith" cast a vote in New York! Duplicate vote!!!!) ...when this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/ ... index.html

and this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

oh and this...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2956043


But of course Trump isn't actually interested in non existent voter fraud. He's just interested in pounding his chest to try to convince people he didn't really lose the popular vote by 3 million because it bruises his ego that he did.

There is election fraud to investigate. You focus on voter fraud. That's retail and small potatoes. If the investigation is thorough, we'll root out some election fraud going on. That has the potential to be quite a bit larger and is more likely to be caused systemic corruption/negligence.

PeterZ wrote:

gcomeau wrote:I think the more telling point is that Trump is basing his entire bullshit claim that there were millions of fraudulent votes that cost him the popular vote on people with the same name being registered to vote in more than one state (even when they're not the same person, as in "Joe Smith" cast a vote in California and "Joe Smith" cast a vote in New York! Duplicate vote!!!!) ...when this:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/ ... index.html

and this...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

oh and this...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2956043


But of course Trump isn't actually interested in non existent voter fraud. He's just interested in pounding his chest to try to convince people he didn't really lose the popular vote by 3 million because it bruises his ego that he did.

There is election fraud to investigate. You focus on voter fraud.

You do understand that when Trump claim millions of illegal voters were voting and claims he's going to go investigate that HE is focusing on voter fraud right? Which is why my comments were about same?

IF ONLY there was an investigation into election fraud... and in states that actually mattered to the outcome instead of Trump throwing a tantrum about popular vote totals in freaking California where it would have been pointless for anyone to even try committing fraud in a presidential election.

But there has never been any expectation from me Trump cared about even looking at anything in that area and so far being proven right. The only thing he cares about is his tantrum over losing the popular vote and trying to convince people he didn't really.

gcomeau wrote:You do understand that when Trump claim millions of illegal voters were voting and claims he's going to go investigate that HE is focusing on voter fraud right? Which is why my comments were about same?

IF ONLY there was an investigation into election fraud... and in states that actually mattered to the outcome instead of Trump throwing a tantrum about popular vote totals in freaking California where it would have been pointless for anyone to even try committing fraud in a presidential election.

But there has never been any expectation from me Trump cared about even looking at anything in that area and so far being proven right. The only thing he cares about is his tantrum over losing the popular vote and trying to convince people he didn't really.

I do. As I believe I stated elsewhere and I believe Biochem mentioned as well. Focusing on the specifics of what Trump says may be misleading. Often, he says things to generate a response from either opponents or the media. They respond the way he wants. He ends up controlling the narrative and bypassing the media to a large extent.

I don't care if he misspoke about voter fraud. I don't care if he deliberately misspoke about voter fraud. I do care that the media is now insisting that the elections be investigated. He isn't, the media is. That means more people from both sides of the isle are likely to support an investigation. Which means one is more likely to actually happen.

If one is likely, then go after the true threat to our franchise! Go after election fraud, rather than voter fraud. Get behind the effort and push for the best sort of investigation there can be.