SLN Logistics

Sigs wrote:Aren't those missiles frontline MA kit as well?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think yes. The Flight II Cataphracts that turned up in SoV were implied to be the same model used during Oyster Bay(Filareta was issued with Flight Is).

This has interesting implications for both the MA/SLN, since the RMN's Home Fleet got tracking data on the missiles' short runs between their stealthed pods and their targets. It doesn't matter how short the flight profiles were - the missiles were still flying at very specific accelerations.

Filareta give the ready the benifit of his thoughts about where the Cataprhacts were said to have come from but that- to the best of his knowledge- the supplying contractor didn't have any manufacturing capability to make them there. There was also the very suspect variation of where they were supposed to have come from and where they had to go to make the rendezvous which raised all sorts of questions-to him- about when they would have been sent from to get where they got with all the implications about who knew what, knew it when (and managed to produce all these interesting weapons without the Fleet really knowing much about them).

As far as the SLN having lots of data on Cataphracts...recall that most of the SLN ships that were fireing them didn't get to return to the SLN as they were destroyed or surrendered.

Brigade XO wrote:As far as the SLN having lots of data on Cataphracts...recall that most of the SLN ships that were fireing them didn't get to return to the SLN as they were destroyed or surrendered.

I was talking about the RMN having data on Cataphract performance. Not the SLN.

If the Flight II Cataphracts used at Wloclawek by the SLN forces are identical to the missiles used during Oyster Bay by the MA forces, the RMN should spot that very quickly.

munroburton wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:As far as the SLN having lots of data on Cataphracts...recall that most of the SLN ships that were fireing them didn't get to return to the SLN as they were destroyed or surrendered.

I was talking about the RMN having data on Cataphract performance. Not the SLN.

If the Flight II Cataphracts used at Wloclawek by the SLN forces are identical to the missiles used during Oyster Bay by the MA forces, the RMN should spot that very quickly.

Given that the mags of the SLN BCs are full of Flight II Cataphracts, Scotty should be smart enough to grab a handful for intact specimens for disassembly and further testing prior to blowing up the BCs.

munroburton wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:As far as the SLN having lots of data on Cataphracts...recall that most of the SLN ships that were fireing them didn't get to return to the SLN as they were destroyed or surrendered.

I was talking about the RMN having data on Cataphract performance. Not the SLN.

If the Flight II Cataphracts used at Wloclawek by the SLN forces are identical to the missiles used during Oyster Bay by the MA forces, the RMN should spot that very quickly.

IIRC Filareta got the System Defense pod launched variants that ripped the Nasty Kitty aka HMS Hexapuma a new one at Monica, not the Flight II tube launched variants. But I may very well may not RC.

Who knowa what info the SLN in general got on the missiles Filareta got. He got the data and plugged it into his simulator programs.

WeirdlyWired wrote:IIRC Filareta got the System Defense pod launched variants that ripped the Nasty Kitty aka HMS Hexapuma a new one at Monica, not the Flight II tube launched variants. But I may very well may not RC.

The Tecgnodyne System Defense Pods used in Monica were huge single-drive missiles, not Cataphracts. The Cataphract pods sent to Filareta came directly from Mesa and although labeled as coming from Technodyne came from the MAlign and, AFAIK, Technodyne didn't know they existed until after Filareta's allotment was already in-route.

From ART:

By any meterstick, it was an enormous force, and fifty percent of the missiles in his SD's magazines were the new dual-drive Technodyne Cataphract-Bs. [Filareta] would have preferred a heavier warhead, but that was what the five thousand pods loaded with Cataphract-Cs were for.

From SoV:

And at least all of Tamaguichi's battlecruisers carried the new Flight Two Cataphract, with almost twenty percent more powered range and marginally improved warheads. Levine had been amazed by the original Cataphract's enormous range...
<snip>
But only with Spatha-level laserheads, on the tube-launched birds, he reminded himself.
<snip>
And then there were the two dozen pods of Flight Two Cataphract-Cs tractored to each of BatCruRon 720's units. They carried the same laserhead as the Trebuchet capital ship missile and any damned Manty that got hit by one of them was going to know he'd been nudged.

So yeah. The list of missiles available to the SLN now are:

Spatha
Javelin
Trebuchet
Technodyne SDM(Monica)
Cataphract-A F1(2nd Manticore)
Cataphract-B F1(2nd Manticore)
Cataphract-C F1(2nd Manticore)
Cataphract-A F2(Wloclawek)
Cataphract-B F2(presumed)
Cataphract-C F2(Wloclawek, also Oyster Bay?)

The point I'm trying to make is that there are now Manticoran sensor records of Flight Two Cataphract-Cs being used at Wloclawek by Solarian forces and during the Yawata Strike on Manticore by hithertho undiscovered forces.

Yes, the RMN's leadership is well aware of the MAlign's existence. But here they are now, with quite good evidence that may paint the SLN as the perpetrator of Yawata Strike. At the very least, it points to significant involvement. What are they going to do with that little bombshell?

In other words, the MAlign has tossed a smoking gun into the SLN's hands.

munroburton wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is that there are now Manticoran sensor records of Flight Two Cataphract-Cs being used at Wloclawek by Solarian forces and during the Yawata Strike on Manticore by hithertho undiscovered forces.

Yes, the RMN's leadership is well aware of the MAlign's existence. But here they are now, with quite good evidence that may paint the SLN as the perpetrator of Yawata Strike. At the very least, it points to significant involvement. What are they going to do with that little bombshell?

In other words, the MAlign has tossed a smoking gun into the SLN's hands.

Except for the "Invisible Drive" that whatever ships used to deliver those missiles was definitely NOT Solaran League Navy. for that, they have Herlander Simoes. AND those grazer missiles that destroyed Hephaestus also had that same invisible drive.

The MA is a bit disconcerted by the SLN having ths cataphracr II since they are direct equivalents of the MAN top line misiles.

No way the GA is going to be deflected from its belief that the MA was behind The Yawata Strike. Not without some direct evidence of the Spider Drive on SLN ships.

I don't think monro was suggesting that the RMN would be 'distracted'. He was, correctly, pointing out that the tac recordings provide a nifty little propaganda club: 'so, there's no Mesan Alignment, you say? interesting, your ships are using the same missiles that were used in the attack on our space stations... are you sure that _you_ aren't the "Alignment"?'

Not sure that anyone would bother, but it does have possibilities for [further] discrediting the administration in Chicago.

WeirdlyWired wrote:

munroburton wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is that there are now Manticoran sensor records of Flight Two Cataphract-Cs being used at Wloclawek by Solarian forces and during the Yawata Strike on Manticore by hithertho undiscovered forces.

Yes, the RMN's leadership is well aware of the MAlign's existence. But here they are now, with quite good evidence that may paint the SLN as the perpetrator of Yawata Strike. At the very least, it points to significant involvement. What are they going to do with that little bombshell?

In other words, the MAlign has tossed a smoking gun into the SLN's hands.

Except for the "Invisible Drive" that whatever ships used to deliver those missiles was definitely NOT Solaran League Navy. for that, they have Herlander Simoes. AND those grazer missiles that destroyed Hephaestus also had that same invisible drive.

The MA is a bit disconcerted by the SLN having ths cataphracr II since they are direct equivalents of the MAN top line misiles.

No way the GA is going to be deflected from its belief that the MA was behind The Yawata Strike. Not without some direct evidence of the Spider Drive on SLN ships.

Louis R wrote:I don't think monro was suggesting that the RMN would be 'distracted'. He was, correctly, pointing out that the tac recordings provide a nifty little propaganda club: 'so, there's no Mesan Alignment, you say? interesting, your ships are using the same missiles that were used in the attack on our space stations... are you sure that _you_ aren't the "Alignment"?'

Not sure that anyone would bother, but it does have possibilities for [further] discrediting the administration in Chicago.

Yep, that sort of thing.