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#1 See ART p356-57. Beowulf is assuming ALL Missile and Keyhole Two platform manufacture. Haven is building hulls to RMN Specs to be outfitted at Manticore.

#2 The ONLY workers to house are those returned from Hancock Station which will be the "seed Corn for recruiting and training all those workers you want to house. Better to split your cadre into 4 maybe not equal parts. One to Beowulf with Manticore trainees, one to Talbott Cluster to set up platforms there and train new recruits, one to Grayson to do the same there.

Sigs wrote:The SEM has all the "currency" it needs to buy equipment. They have their merchant marine and they would be able to get pretty much anything they want from many core world and non-aligned worlds if they can provide the cargo ships and guarantee that those ships will make it to the destination.

Since the government of Manticore has officially banned them from doing that, no, they can't.

WeirdlyWired wrote:#1 See ART p356-57. Beowulf is assuming ALL Missile and Keyhole Two platform manufacture. Haven is building hulls to RMN Specs to be outfitted at Manticore.

#2 The ONLY workers to house are those returned from Hancock Station which will be the "seed Corn for recruiting and training all those workers you want to house. Better to split your cadre into 4 maybe not equal parts. One to Beowulf with Manticore trainees, one to Talbott Cluster to set up platforms there and train new recruits, one to Grayson to do the same there.

You mean Grendlesbane, Not Hancock station.

Hancock Station, Sidemore, Basilisk, and San Martin all have intact fleet bases, and are in use maintaining the fleet, but would be a source for trained workers, and training other workers. Alison still has a working BC class shipyard built with Manticorian assistance, and Zanzibar has the portion of a shipyard, being rebuilt since 1920. Talbot, a 1st war Manticoran ally, had a SD quality shipyard, which is currently underutilized.

Other sources for trained workers are the evacuated workforce from Weyland, the Fort repair services at the junction, the fort construction group at the Lynx terminus, the builder's reps embedded with all the ships rushed out of the shipyards in the latter half of 1921 and early 1922,

Also there should be plenty of resources in Manticore B dedicated towards repair, construction, and servicing the space habitats there and the vast extraction industry., which can be leveraged or borrowed for the reconstruction effort.

This of course, ignores any available resources in Talbott or Silesia, or any which could be borrowed/ hired away from Haven, Beowulf, the Anderman Empire, or another source.

Hears some things to consider. With the Manticore-Haven war over, I am sure Manticore is going to be recruiting orbital construction workers from Haven. Imagine you are a Havenite orbital construction worker making $M 40 hr and you see an add for jobs in the Manticore system for $M 80-100 hrs. How fast would you be on the next liner to Manticore, hell Hauptman orbital construction would be offering things like sign on bonuses, relocation expenses, living stipends, education expenses for you and your kids etc. I can see the modern Manticore equivalent of post plague years land credits incentives to move to Manticore.

kzt wrote:

Sigs wrote:The SEM has all the "currency" it needs to buy equipment. They have their merchant marine and they would be able to get pretty much anything they want from many core world and non-aligned worlds if they can provide the cargo ships and guarantee that those ships will make it to the destination.

Since the government of Manticore has officially banned them from doing that, no, they can't.

Banned them from doing what? Trading with independent nations? I am not talking about them trading the League, I am talking them trading with newly independent systems. But even if it was trading with League members so what? Just because they banned something doesn't mean 1) they can't make exceptions when they need to 2)entice powerful core systems to leave the league by resuming trade with them.

Core worlds means SL core worlds. Oddly enough, they are all SL members. And Manticoran merchants are not allowed to trade with them mostly to protect the merchants and secondarily harm the SL.

So no, you can do that until they stop being core worlds or there is an outbreak of sanity.

kzt wrote:Core worlds means SL core worlds. Oddly enough, they are all SL members. And Manticoran merchants are not allowed to trade with them mostly to protect the merchants and secondarily harm the SL.

So no, you can do that until they stop being core worlds or there is an outbreak of sanity.

So if the GA were to encourage systems to secede from the
League by say allowing them to trade with and access to Manticoran merchant ships the GA would not do so?


I am not suggesting trading with a system when it is a member of the League, what I am suggesting is that the GA encourage league members to break away from the League by offering them a chance to resume using the services of the Manticoran ships, and junctions.

That not unreasonable, but how many BatRons are you going to assign to each? Remember that you are really assigning 3 times the ships due to the need for rotation and maintenance. And they are then going to be nailed to that system.

kzt wrote:That not unreasonable, but how many BatRons are you going to assign to each? Remember that you are really assigning 3 times the ships due to the need for rotation and maintenance. And they are then going to be nailed to that system.

That's the problem with sending Manticore flagged shipping anywhere near the Leauge or the area of the Protectorates and places where OFS/FF is to be found even if systems are not formarly under OFS. Where could you let them go or send them and not be worried about loosing them to FF and OFS partner regimes in various edges around the Verge?

You might get away with sending ships to places like Hennesy but you are going to need a strong force to defend that end of the wormhole against BF showing up to try and secure that potential path for RMN/GA attacks via the Terra Haute-Erwhon-Joshua bridge. All sorts of stuff could be shipped out to Manticore and then distributed via the Junction but as soon as the Mandarins, any of the Transtellars or perhaps even just the Alignment get the idea that Manticore is getting "strategic materials and equipment" that way, they are going to try and shut it down. Of course that is probably going to mean that SLN would want to make the Joshua-Erwhon- Terra Haute transits to get there quickly rather than sending a task force through hyperspace to Hennessy directly and then trying to sit on the wormhole. If nothing else, Hennessy is a very convenient transhipment point for SL flagged shops (or flagged by "independent" systems) for movement thought the Junction to customers "beyond" Manticore from the SL. You are talking billions of dollars in goods and -for manticor transit fees as well on top of whatever items it can buy like machine tools as replacements for the Oyster Bay losses.

We haven't had any mention of that terminus in the goings on with Lacoon II.
Erwhon, for one, would be truly annoyed if the SLN showed up to "look for" Manticorian flagged or clandestine operations frighters at the junction it controls. We don't know if any part of OFS/FF other that the nominaly FF units attached to Maya are anywhere near Erwhon but if they are and are tasked to search for MMM shipping there, Erwhon may have to take the cover off it's new productions of warships.

That also leads to the question of why the Mandarins AND SLN haven't thought to send a mission out to Erwhon to "inquire" (with a couple of squadrons of warships as enforcement) about what improvements Erwhon has from the point they were a co-beligerent with Manticore against Haven. Or perhaps they have - we haven't been told yet- and Erwhon will provide a demonstraion of how the SLN is going to loose a bunch more ships and people a since they object to being bullied by the SL.

Brigade XO wrote: We haven't had any mention of that terminus in the goings on with Lacoon II.
Erwhon, for one, would be truly annoyed if the SLN showed up to "look for" Manticorian flagged or clandestine operations frighters at the junction it controls. We don't know if any part of OFS/FF other that the nominaly FF units attached to Maya are anywhere near Erwhon but if they are and are tasked to search for MMM shipping there, Erwhon may have to take the cover off it's new productions of warships.

That also leads to the question of why the Mandarins AND SLN haven't thought to send a mission out to Erwhon to "inquire" (with a couple of squadrons of warships as enforcement) about what improvements Erwhon has from the point they were a co-beligerent with Manticore against Haven. Or perhaps they have - we haven't been told yet- and Erwhon will provide a demonstraion of how the SLN is going to loose a bunch more ships and people a since they object to being bullied by the SL.

The Mandarins are so far behind the Declaration of War curve, it is about to kick them in the arse. They finally managed to ask Rozak for more complete information about the encounter with the State-Sec ships at Congo/Torch.

That little alliance, Maya/Erewhon/Torch, has managed to fake all sensor records of the battle but also come up with completely bogus ship design schematics showing a 10% advantage over the old Havenite BCs.