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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by durns   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:01 am

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what's the upper limit of the number of people killed to be considered not that evil of a dictator? a million? 100k? 10k?

Castro and Che were scum. period. just like any other commy/nazi/fascist scum there were or is going to be.

Castro's dead. good riddance.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Imaginos1892   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:08 pm

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durns wrote:what's the upper limit of the number of people killed to be considered not that evil of a dictator? a million? 100k? 10k?

Castro and Che were scum. period. just like any other commy/nazi/fascist scum there were or is going to be.

Castro's dead. good riddance.

They were evil not because they were commies, nazis or fascists, but because they valued their ideologies over any number of lives.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:47 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:
Is that true? [genuine question]


Yes. From 1952 till 1959, Bautista killed about 20000 peoples. With full support and friendship of USA, of course. Even the opponents of Castro regime admitted, that during his rule, no more than 11000-17000 peoples were killed on Cuba.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:52 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:They were evil not because they were commies, nazis or fascists, but because they valued their ideologies over any number of lives.


Really? How many peoples already died in US useless "wars for freedom and democracy"? How many peoples were killed, maimed or disabled by US actions during Vietnam War?

At the very least, several times more than victims of "Castro dictature".

So, would you admit that if Castro was monster and scum, than United States of America are much more terrible monter, that killed virtually millions either because of hysterical fear of communism or because though, that freedom and democracy could be installed by external force?

I.e. basically that american leaders " valued their ideologies over any number of lives"? :)
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Imaginos1892   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:03 pm

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Should we not have fought World War 2? Would the world be a better place if Kim Jong Nutjob Jr. ruled all of Korea, instead of just the north? Should we have sat idle while the communists invaded and conquered Afghanistan?
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Daryl   » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:17 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:Should we not have fought World War 2? Would the world be a better place if Kim Jong Nutjob Jr. ruled all of Korea, instead of just the north? Should we have sat idle while the communists conquered Afghanistan?

There are just wars and less just wars. WW2 and Korea were just wars, Iraq 1 was just but Iraq 2 had more to do with the oil, and quite a few US adventures are more to do with feeding the military industrial monster than anything else.
The communists did conquer Afghanistan, as had the British before them, but it doesn't stay conquered.
After 9/11 the US invaded Iraq which had nothing to do with it or WMD; yet didn't invade the Saudies who did it, or North Korea that did have WMD.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:06 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:Should we not have fought World War 2? Would the world be a better place if Kim Jong Nutjob Jr. ruled all of Korea, instead of just the north? Should we have sat idle while the communists invaded and conquered Afghanistan?


So you admitted that there is balance of good and bad deeds of every nation. Perfect. Then why you deny Castro of anything good? Shod he idly stay away in 1959, while Batista murdered innocents in thousands, destroyed every single civil right on island (yes, him, not Castro!) and constantly robbed his own peoples for the sake of US corporations? I don't think so.

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Imaginos1892 wrote: Should we have sat idle while the communists invaded and conquered Afghanistan?


Considering that several decades later you were forced to do exactly the same - and because of very tragic reason (11 september 2001) - yes, you should. Thousands of peoples in USA and tens of thousands in Afghanistan might be alive.
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by WeirdlyWired   » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:51 pm

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At least now we know that long term economic sanctions actually work! :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

Just because his ideology differs from yours, you demonize him. he witnessed the corrosive effect of "laisse-faire capitalism" on the people of Cuba and took up arms against it. And all the boot lickers of the US corporations fled Cuba for Miami. Now they want to return to Cuba as heroes.
Helas,chou, Je m'en fache.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Tenshinai   » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:05 pm

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Henry Brown wrote:Just saw the Fidel Castro has died. Let me be clear, I don't agree with his political ideology. Not trying to praise him as a great man or anything like that. But as a student of history, I have to admire his longevity. Think about it, the Son of a Bitch took power in 1959. Eisenhower was president then. Then came Kennedy. Then Johnson. Nixon was next. Then Ford. After that: Carter, Reagan, George H. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and finally Barrack Obama. 11 different people have been President of the USA since Fidel since came to power. And he outlived 6 of them. Even if you don't really like him, you kind of have to admire that sort of run.


Well, his political ideology probably wasn´t very set in stone in 1959, considering that he went touring USA to rally support, first.
It wasn´t until the Cuban mafia and rich refugee´s influence turned USA firmly against him that he went to the Soviets.

And he got rid of Batista, a dictator that was worse.

The "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" might be suitable for his tombstone.
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Re: RIP Fidel Castro
Post by Tenshinai   » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:10 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:
Is that true? [genuine question]


Yes.

Castro was not a nice leader, but he was a drastically "nicer" leader than Batista that he overthrew.
He also worked hard to improve life for Cubans, but with the US embargo, it was pretty much hopeless from the start.
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