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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by stewart   » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:14 pm

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MaxxQ wrote:Its about the stupidest way to haul anything.


About as stupid as sending an F-4G from Spangdahlem AB, Germany to Davis Montham AFB (the "Boneyard") for a nose-wheel strut (with a special shop-built adapter for the center-line bomb rack) because that was the only place one was available.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen. 8-)[/quote]

Reminds me of the time I was TDY to Tyndall from Cannon in NM, and we got there just after a hurricane had gone through. It was cold, but nobody brought field jackets because Florida, y'know? On top of that, the sole came off one of my boots. So, they flew everyones field jackets, and a new pair of boots, to us in a pair of travel pods bolted onto the weapons stations of an F-111.[/quote]


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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Sigs   » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:10 pm

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Somtaaw wrote:You wouldn't even need a specially designed freighter to hold a destroyer, we saw that in one of those Honorverse side books, where a much younger Lieutenant (Commander wasnt it?) Honor Harrington, commanding the Hawkwing in Silesia was approached by the Ballroom. And then essentially deployed to the target system aboard a freighter didn't she?


If I am not mistaken she hid in the shadow of the merchant ship not in it's hold... but I could be wrong.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Sigs   » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:12 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:
Sigs wrote:So you have a damaged warship that cannot leave the battlefield under it's own power and you have to retreat so your solution is to bring a defenceless freighter to evacuate it? What happens when I blow your freighter too? Now instead of loosing a warship you lost a freighter as well.



Why would Hexapuma, Warlock and Fearless have to repair enough to return under their own power if it were just easier to put them in a freighter and sail away to a big fully equipped yard?
To be fair I believe, though I'm not going to go back and try to find the quote, that for Hexapuma the possibility of sending a transporter out from Manticore to haul her home was mentioned.
But the decision was made to patch her up enough that she could return under her own power and be honored as she came through the Junction.


I don't remember that, but you might be right.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by SharkHunter   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:45 pm

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Rejoining the thread again with something I just realized, which is that Yildun has to be neutralized to take the Technodyne missiles off the map. So the SLN logistics won't matter to the outcome once the GA moves on that wormhole / system combo and takes it out from the Yildun end.

Here comes your "successful once" raiders back to resupply with the magic new missiles and the SLN transport ships get bagged. Sent back as fake fleet train using minimal GA crews aboard and masking the real 10th Fleet raiders with Mk16's aboard ready to pounce on essentially empty SLN ships.

Yeah, that should work... or no?
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Theemile   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:44 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:Rejoining the thread again with something I just realized, which is that Yildun has to be neutralized to take the Technodyne missiles off the map. So the SLN logistics won't matter to the outcome once the GA moves on that wormhole / system combo and takes it out from the Yildun end.

Here comes your "successful once" raiders back to resupply with the magic new missiles and the SLN transport ships get bagged. Sent back as fake fleet train using minimal GA crews aboard and masking the real 10th Fleet raiders with Mk16's aboard ready to pounce on essentially empty SLN ships.

Yeah, that should work... or no?


Remember, the Cataphracts sent to Filerata came from TIY's Mesan HQ, NOT Yildun. Neutralizing Yildun may seriously hurt TIY, but would not remove the Cataract threat, nor completely take TIY put of the picture. If they have a manufacturing presence in Mesa, how many other subsidiary yards and manufacturing do they own or operate?

In any event, it is also possible that the only TIY facility making Cataphracts was Mesa, and the entire production capability has already been captured/eliminated.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by kzt   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:00 pm

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Theemile wrote:In any event, it is also possible that the only TIY facility making Cataphracts was Mesa, and the entire production capability has already been captured/eliminated.

I vaguely remember reading that they provided the plans to the SLN.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Theemile   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:10 pm

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kzt wrote:
Theemile wrote:In any event, it is also possible that the only TIY facility making Cataphracts was Mesa, and the entire production capability has already been captured/eliminated.

I vaguely remember reading that they provided the plans to the SLN.


In which case any producer can build them, and focusing on Yildun, or it's satellite facilities, would at best create a temporary supply disruption, followed by a mass dispersal of production.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by kzt   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:52 pm

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Theemile wrote:In which case any producer can build them, and focusing on Yildun, or it's satellite facilities, would at best create a temporary supply disruption, followed by a mass dispersal of production.

The MA really were not intending for the SLN to march forward into the RMNs machine guns armed with knives, as this is obviously insane. So they gave them Ruger 10/22s. They are certainly real weapons, just not exactly in the same class.
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Sigs   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:29 pm

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kzt wrote:
Theemile wrote:In any event, it is also possible that the only TIY facility making Cataphracts was Mesa, and the entire production capability has already been captured/eliminated.

I vaguely remember reading that they provided the plans to the SLN.


Aren't those missiles frontline MA kit as well?
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Re: SLN Logistics
Post by Sigs   » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:30 pm

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Theemile wrote:
Remember, the Cataphracts sent to Filerata came from TIY's Mesan HQ, NOT Yildun. Neutralizing Yildun may seriously hurt TIY, but would not remove the Cataract threat, nor completely take TIY put of the picture. If they have a manufacturing presence in Mesa, how many other subsidiary yards and manufacturing do they own or operate?

In any event, it is also possible that the only TIY facility making Cataphracts was Mesa, and the entire production capability has already been captured/eliminated.


Mesa might have been the place the MA was stockpiling it's missiles and released them to the SLN when they needed to.
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