SPOILER ... Do the ends justify the means???

WeirdlyWired wrote:

munroburton wrote:
The MA did compromise the SKM's upper echelons at least once - Descroix. They also used something they called the Beowulf conduit to learn about Pritchart's proposed peace summit and launched Operation Rat Poison in response. A mole in the Manticoran foreign office is mentioned as the source of that information - well after the High Ridge government ended.

There is currently a low level mole on the FO. But the leaks of the peacre proposal was Tony Nesbitt's cousin, some High level Security person.

Chapter 47 of AAC. "We found out about it from our mole in the Manties' Foreign Office," Detweiler continued. "The proposal itself arrived on Manticore nine days ago, and our mole's control did very well to get it to us this quickly, although he had to use the Beowulf conduit to do it."

I would go with "Aproximately Zero" as the quantity. Those who were on the list of people supposed to go out were in 'holding areas' awaiting the availability of transport and got nuked when Al pushed his button - those who thought they would be brought out but weren't ever going to were part of the 'cleanup' process, which we know they were very careful about. You don't trigger the bomb until you know your targets are in the blast radius, unless you are either very sloppy or a complete moron. Neither of which applies to the people actually handling it.[/quote]

Yeah but we are talking about thousands of people if I remember correctly almost 100,000 people. What are the chances they can control every variable in order to kill each and every one of those 100,000 people.[/quote]


Especially when you are dealing with a rushed enough time table where their main leader himself could not manage to get off mesa before time ran out. In operations like that on a rushed timetable mistakes happen. A bomb that should have gone off maybe doesn't or gets found and disarmed by some local police force. People who do things for random reasons wind up not being where they were supposed to be or like firebrand people you had suicide nanos never actually got back to get that treatment.

Remember with the green pine debacle a lot of their data was totally shredded or tainted with misinformation that is going to take them a while to piece back together combine that with the rapidly accelerated time table of houdini I would find it hard to believe they got 100% of their targets.

kaid wrote:I would go with "Aproximately Zero" as the quantity. Those who were on the list of people supposed to go out were in 'holding areas' awaiting the availability of transport and got nuked when Al pushed his button - those who thought they would be brought out but weren't ever going to were part of the 'cleanup' process, which we know they were very careful about. You don't trigger the bomb until you know your targets are in the blast radius, unless you are either very sloppy or a complete moron. Neither of which applies to the people actually handling it.

Yeah but we are talking about thousands of people if I remember correctly almost 100,000 people. What are the chances they can control every variable in order to kill each and every one of those 100,000 people.[/quote]


Especially when you are dealing with a rushed enough time table where their main leader himself could not manage to get off mesa before time ran out. In operations like that on a rushed timetable mistakes happen. A bomb that should have gone off maybe doesn't or gets found and disarmed by some local police force. People who do things for random reasons wind up not being where they were supposed to be or like firebrand people you had suicide nanos never actually got back to get that treatment.

Remember with the green pine debacle a lot of their data was totally shredded or tainted with misinformation that is going to take them a while to piece back together combine that with the rapidly accelerated time table of houdini I would find it hard to believe they got 100% of their targets.[/quote]

But didn't Marinescu get the "more squeamish" members of the onion out first, so the ones remaining would be less likely to come forward and identify themselves?

Of course, I'll admit I have gotten lost in the convoluted machinations of the MA. 1) isolate, humiliate, annihilate Beowulf. (2) Cause the destruction of SEM. Play SL and Haven against each other (3) Create genetic caste system within MA. After that, really good Neitzschian Supermen would want to purge the gene pool of all those wild, therefore inferior specimens, I mean despite RFC's insistence that they are "better than that."

WeirdlyWired wrote:
But didn't Marinescu get the "more squeamish" members of the onion out first, so the ones remaining would be less likely to come forward and identify themselves?

What about some really pissed of people? They realize they were supposed to be at the location that just blew up and another 29 identical explosions happened across Mesa it is hard not to put two and two together and want some revenge against those who just not only abandoned you but tried to kill you and your family and killed many friends.

Sigs wrote:What about some really pissed of people? They realize they were supposed to be at the location that just blew up and another 29 identical explosions happened across Mesa it is hard not to put two and two together and want some revenge against those who just not only abandoned you but tried to kill you and your family and killed many friends.

You haven't read enough history. Stalins victims in the purges almost never blamed him or lost faith in communism or Stalin.

kzt wrote:

Sigs wrote:What about some really pissed of people? They realize they were supposed to be at the location that just blew up and another 29 identical explosions happened across Mesa it is hard not to put two and two together and want some revenge against those who just not only abandoned you but tried to kill you and your family and killed many friends.

You haven't read enough history. Stalins victims in the purges almost never blamed him or lost faith in communism or Stalin.

Sorry I'm not good with Sarcasm over the internet...at least I hope you are not serious.

Sigs wrote:Sorry I'm not good with Sarcasm over the internet...at least I hope you are not serious.

No, I'm totally serious.

'If only Stalin knew'

IF ONLY STALIN KNEW: VAIN HOPES IN THE TERROR

If Only the Führer Knew!

kzt wrote:

Sigs wrote:Sorry I'm not good with Sarcasm over the internet...at least I hope you are not serious.

No, I'm totally serious.

'If only Stalin knew'

IF ONLY STALIN KNEW: VAIN HOPES IN THE TERROR

If Only the Führer Knew!

I totally agree. ABSOLUTELY no sarcasm. I mean,yes this is "The End Times" but, still seriously, is it The pre-Tribulation Rapture where all those "left behind" are deemed not worthy?

and i'm assuming that the "finalFlourish" happened fairly simultaneously to the GAs Grand Entrance [Stage left]. OMG we were the last to go and our fearless Leader "just ran outn of time."

Would be more convincing if they knew their fearless leader didn't make it off as well. but hey, if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have enlisted.

kzt wrote:

Sigs wrote:Sorry I'm not good with Sarcasm over the internet...at least I hope you are not serious.

No, I'm totally serious.

'If only Stalin knew'

IF ONLY STALIN KNEW: VAIN HOPES IN THE TERROR

If Only the Führer Knew!

What exactly does that prove?

WeirdlyWired wrote:
Would be more convincing if they knew their fearless leader didn't make it off as well. but hey, if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have enlisted.

Yeah and what do you think happens when it becomes obvious to them that their friends and family were slaughtered? We are talking about 100,000 people who were most likely not part of the inner onion, this ultimately means they didn't know exactly what they were fighting for. They may have known bits and pieces but not the whole thing. When you realize that you would have been at one of those locations when a bomb goes off and you happened to survive by sheer luck and it was your own side that killed it's people you would be pissed off...