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Lord Skimper wrote:So how about this. Innersphere tech only...

I like the cyclops, I like the Medium pulse laser especially in Mechwarrior games as you can modulate the length of the pulse, damage and heat. In Battletech the extra heat works great with the triple strength. LB10X can be both an AC 10 and LRM 10 that can't be blocked. MW3 lets one use multiple anti missile which gives one high lrm/Srm protection. With the Pulse Medium Lasers one can ignore and pop toads at will.

Sorry, a few errors, the 260 St is 13.5tn, the 270 St is 14.5tn, Gyro is 1% of En rating (round up - 3tn) so your 2tn over weight, also 3JJ and 2AMS in CT (3crits?)
recommend removing 1tn if LBX ammo (30rnds is plenty - 1tn St, 1tn Cl & 1tn according to mission/environment) and 8pt Ar per leg. Re-distribute 1xAMS each torso
(assumed TSM = 2xR/LL 1xR/LA) This would fix the issue.

Further issue is heat, with that many MPL's major Heat issues, recommend replaceing 1 per Arm with 1xSPLs and 1xDHS each, this has the double effect of reducing heat burden and adding anti-infantry defence all-round. You can then run and fire all MPL's and the LBX without overheat. still limited ranges though, great urbi.

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BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Cyclops CP-R3S
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3050
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Modified design

Mass: 90 tons
Chassis: Stormvanger HV-7 Standard
Power Plant: 270 Hermes Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 [64.8] km/h
Jump Jets: 3 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor Type: Starshield Special Standard
Armament:
5 Medium Pulse Lasers
2 Small Pulse Lasers
1 C³ Master Computer
3 Anti-Missile Systems
1 LB 10-X AC
Manufacturer: Stormvanger Assemblies, Unlimited
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Olmstead 840 with SatNav Module
Targeting & Tracking System: Tacticon Tracer 280
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Type/Model: Cyclops CP-R3S
Mass: 90 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 138 pts Standard 0 9.00
Engine: 270 Fusion 6 14.50
Walking MP: 3 [4]
Running MP: 5 [6]
Jumping MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 12 Double [24] 6 2.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Triple Strength Myomer: 6 .00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 256 pts Standard 0 16.00

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 29 40
Center Torso (Rear): 11
L/R Side Torso: 19 30/30
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 8/8
L/R Arm: 15 30/30
L/R Leg: 19 30/30

Weapons and Equipment - Loc - Heat - Ammo - Crits - Mass
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2 Medium Pulse Lasers - RA - 8 - NA - 2 - 4.00
1 Small Pulse Laser - RA - 2 - NA - 1 - 1.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers - LA - 8 - NA - 2 - 4.00
1 Small Pulse Laser - LA - 2 - NA - 1 - 1.00
1 C³ Master Computer - RT - 0 - NA - 5 - 5.00
1 Anti-Missile System - RT - 1 - 36 - 4 - 3.50
(Ammo Locations: 3 RT)
1 LB 10-X AC - LT - 2 30 9 - 14.00
(Ammo Locations: 3 LT)
1 Anti-Missile System - LT - 1 - NA - 1 - 0.50
1 Anti-Missile System - CT - 1 - NA - 1 - 0.50
1 Medium Pulse Laser - HD - 4 - NA - 1 - 2.00
CASE Equipment: - LT - RT - NA - 2 - 1.00
3 Standard Jump Jets: 3 - 6.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 29 75 90.00
Crits & Tons Left: 3 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 14,436,960 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,693 (+144 for C³)
Cost per BV: 8,527.44
Weapon Value: 2,254 / 2,254 (Ratio = 1.33 / 1.33)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 33; MRDmg = 6; LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2: MP: 3J, Armor/Structure: 6/7
Damage PB/M/L: 7/4/1, Overheat: 1
Class: MA; Point Value: 17
Specials: c3m

Lord Skimper wrote:...

Ever see the Titan?
BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Titan TIT-1A
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2750
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 1, Standard design

Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: Star League IM-03x Standard
Power Plant: 300 Strand Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type: Maximillian 300 Standard
Armament:
6 Medium Lasers
2 PPCs
4 SRM 4s
1 SRM 6
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Pauley-Bronson Z
Targeting & Tracking System: Wasat Aggressor Type 8
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Type/Model: Titan TIT-1A
Mass: 100 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Standard 0 10.00
Engine: 300 Fusion 6 19.00
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 22 Single 10 12.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 HD, 2 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 304 pts Standard 0 19.00

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 50
Center Torso (Rear): 11
L/R Side Torso: 21 35/35
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 7/7
L/R Arm: 17 34/34
L/R Leg: 21 41/41

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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3 Medium Lasers RA 9 3 3.00
3 Medium Lasers LA 9 3 3.00
1 PPC RT 10 3 7.00
2 SRM 4s RT 6 50 4 6.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 PPC LT 10 3 7.00
2 SRM 4s LT 6 2 4.00
1 SRM 6 CT 4 15 3 4.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
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TOTALS: 54 62 100.00
Crits & Tons Left: 16 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 9,922,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,446
Cost per BV: 6,861.69
Weapon Value: 1,985 / 1,985 (Ratio = 1.37 / 1.37)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 25; MRDmg = 13; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 3, Armor/Structure: 8/8
Damage PB/M/L: 4/3/1, Overheat: 4
Class: MA; Point Value: 14
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It's from Battletechnology #11 along with this:
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BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Malleus MLS-1A
Tech: Inner Sphere / 2750
Config: Biped OmniMech
Rules: Level 2, Standard design

Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Dorwinion Standard
Power Plant: 250 Nissan Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 McCloud Specials Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Starshield Standard
Armament:
2 LRM 5s
1 LRM 10
3 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Achernar BattleMechs
Location: New Avalon
Communications System: Achernar Electronics HICS-11
Targeting & Tracking System: Federated Hunter
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Type/Model: Malleus MLS-1A
Mass: 50 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 83 pts Standard 0 5.00
Engine: 250 Fusion 6 12.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 12 Single 2 2.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 RA, 1 RT)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA 15 .00
Armor Factor: 128 pts Standard 0 8.00

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 16 27
Center Torso (Rear): 4
L/R Side Torso: 12 22/22
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 2/2
L/R Arm: 8 8/8
L/R Leg: 12 12/12

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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1 LRM 5 RA 2 24 2 3.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 CT)
1 LRM 5 LA 2 1 2.00
1 LRM 10 RT 4 12 3 6.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
2 Medium Lasers LT 6 2 2.00
1 Medium Laser HD 3 1 1.00
5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
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TOTALS: 17 46 50.00
Crits & Tons Left: 32 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 5,496,249 C-Bills
Battle Value: 966
Cost per BV: 5,689.7
Weapon Value: 596 / 596 (Ratio = .62 / .62)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 12; MRDmg = 10; LRDmg = 5
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 3/4
Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1, Overheat: 1
Class: MM; Point Value: 10
Specials: omni, if
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It included several variants of each including SRM & JJ.
the Malleus is credited as the first fully modular production design (pre-Omni)
I have some 3050 upgrades of my own as well as C variants.
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BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Titan C
Tech: Clan / 3060
Config: Biped BattleMech
Rules: Level 2, Modified design

Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: Star League IM-03x Endo Steel
Power Plant: 300 Strand Fusion
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: 3 Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor Type: Maximillian 300 Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
6 Medium Pulse Lasers
2 ER PPCs
2 Small Pulse Lasers
7 Streak SRM 4s
1 Flamer
Manufacturer: (Unknown)
Location: (Unknown)
Communications System: Pauley-Bronson Z
Targeting & Tracking System: Wasat Aggressor Type 8

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Type/Model: Titan C
Mass: 100 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 152 pts Endo Steel 7 5.00
(Endo Steel Loc: 2 LA, 3 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)
Engine: 300 Fusion 6 19.00
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 3
Heat Sinks: 16 Double [32] 8 6.00
(Heat Sink Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H R: Sh+UA+LA+H 16 .00
Armor Factor: 298 pts Ferro-Fibrous 7 15.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT)

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 31 43
Center Torso (Rear): 10
L/R Side Torso: 21 32/32
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 10/10
L/R Arm: 17 34/34
L/R Leg: 21 42/42

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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3 Medium Pulse Lasers RA 12 3 6.00
3 Medium Pulse Lasers LA 12 3 6.00
1 ER PPC RT 15 2 6.00
1 Small Pulse Laser RT 2 1 1.00
3 Streak SRM 4s RT 9 50 5 8.00
(Ammo Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT)
1 ER PPC LT 15 2 6.00
1 Small Pulse Laser LT 2 1 1.00
3 Streak SRM 4s LT 9 3 6.00
1 Streak SRM 4 CT 3 1 2.00
1 Flamer HD 3 1 .50
3 Standard Jump Jets: 3 6.00
(Jump Jet Loc: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 82 78 100.00
Crits & Tons Left: 0 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 12,499,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,927
Cost per BV: 4,270.24
Weapon Value: 4,312 / 3,859 (Ratio = 1.47 / 1.32)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 52; MRDmg = 31; LRDmg = 12
BattleForce2: MP: 3J, Armor/Structure: 7/8
Damage PB/M/L: 6/5/1, Overheat: 4
Class: MA; Point Value: 29
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BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model: Malleus C (base)
Tech: Clan / 3050
Config: Biped OmniMech
Rules: Level 2, Modified design

Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Dorwinion Endo Steel
Power Plant: 250 Nissan XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: 5 McCloud Specials Standard Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor Type: Starshield Ferro-Fibrous
Armament: None
Manufacturer: Achernar BattleMechs
Location: New Avalon
Communications System: Achernar Electronics HICS-11
Targeting & Tracking System: Federated Hunter

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Type/Model: Malleus C (base)
Mass: 50 tons

Equipment: Crits Mass
Int. Struct.: 83 pts Endo Steel 7 2.50
(Endo Steel Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Engine: 250 XL Fusion 10 6.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Double [20] 0 .00
Gyro: 4 3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors: 5 3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA R: Sh+UA+LA 14 .00
Armor Factor: 163 pts Ferro-Fibrous 7 8.50
(Armor Crit Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 16 20
Center Torso (Rear): 8
L/R Side Torso: 12 20/20
L/R Side Torso (Rear): 4/4
L/R Arm: 8 16/16
L/R Leg: 12 23/23

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Crits Mass
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5 Standard Jump Jets: 5 2.50
(Jump Jet Loc: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT)
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TOTALS: 0 52 26.00
Crits & Tons Left: 26 24.00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 9,924,999 C-Bills
Battle Value: 610
Cost per BV: 16,270.49
Weapon Value: 0 / 0 (Ratio = .00 / .00)
Damage Factors: SRDmg = 1; MRDmg = 0; LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2: MP: 5J, Armor/Structure: 4/3
Damage PB/M/L: 1/-/-, Overheat: 0
Class: MM; Point Value: 6
Specials: omni

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MAD-4A wrote:test

Woot! A BattleTech post! I'm a huge BattleTech fan though I've had little chance to play the past few years. I've got a group that just started up at my local game store in Roanoke, VA so I am hoping to get some time in there.

Love my Atlas!

Gerry

GerryBM wrote:Woot! A BattleTech post! I'm a huge BattleTech fan though I've had little chance to play the past few years. I've got a group that just started up at my local game store in Roanoke, VA so I am hoping to get some time in there.

I've been wanting to play for awhile now too. can't find a decent group around here. I do run BT at Texicon in the summer (missed it last summer though)

GerryBM wrote:

MAD-4A wrote:test

Love my Atlas!

Gerry

I think you can tell my favorite
Before FASA went away, I ran in a tournament in Dallas. The rules were, Grand Melee, about 2 dozen people, any non-Clan book Mech. Everybody else was taking 3050-3060s.
The GM came around to me with his huge binder of sheets and asked me what I want. I replied:
'MAD-4A.'
'WAIT! Isn't that the old 3025... '
'Yea.'
'Don't you want a newer...'
'No MAD-4A.'
'Ok, I think I still have one in here somewhere.'
sooo... 51 turns later, I'm standing in the middle of the map, behind cover, with 1 arm on the ground (otherwise mostly unscathed). A few hexes in-front of me is a ThunderHawk with most of it's armor running in steams along the ground and an unscathed (as far as I'm aware - I never bothered shooting at it - had bigger slower targets) Stealth which just jumped next to him.
The TH turned on him and fired his GR, 2 strait thirew (CT I think, maybe ST) insta-kill!. In return the Stealth unloaded into him (kill-stealer! ) and landed an SRM in an open side torso, right into the GR. My turn, 'what, I don't have any more targets?!'

Yea I don't need any of that new-fangled junk.
I got PPCs, Lasers and LOTS of armor.

Last two hostiles kill each other, hah.



Nice ending... ANNOYING ending...

Tenshinai wrote:... ANNOYING ending...

Not annoying, not after about a dozen turns of 3 Volkswagens flying past my ears, more like 'pheeew!'

Cyclops

17 tons star slab armour.
3/5/3/4/6
LB10X
30 Slug Shot mix.
ER or Standard Large Laser
Flamer
3 Medium Pulse
2-3 AMS
Guardian ECM
C3 Computer

Rest of Lance is made up of Urban Mechs. 2 Support fire Urban Mechs, with one ER Large 10 Double Heat sinks and 3/5/3/4/6 TSM movement. Star slab armour ECM and C3 Slave, Heavy laser back up. Endo Steel Chassis, XL engine, AMS. And one full arm for close quarters triple strength.

1 Hunter Urban Mech, 6/9/6 Large Pulse, Double Heat sinks, ECM, BAP, C3 Slave, 2 AMS, 6 tons of Star slab or reflective armour, 2 Medium Pulse Lasers, it is the point Mech and the one that keeps hunts down hidden and light Mechs.

Why would you ever build a command mech with C3 Master as a melee range combatant? Take a look at all the cannon mechs which mounts a C3 Master. There's a stunning lack of close range builds. All of them are either snipers, medium-long (as in classic PPC ranges) combatants, or capable of moving fast enough to get decent movement mods. You keep the C3 Master unit away from trouble, not take it right into the middle of it. C3 Masters are high priority targets, so struggling to lumber into range as an assault mech is the worst possible thing to do. You get picked apart by long range fire, while you're incapable of responding with your short range weapons. A single crit will bring down the whole net. That's why command mechs stay apart from the fray. They want to make the range for them, not against them.

Also, there's no way to build either of your UrbanMech. It ends up being overweight or over crit allotment.

Lord Skimper wrote:Rest of Lance is made up of Urban Mechs. 2 Support fire Urban Mechs, with one ER Large 10 Double Heat sinks and 3/5/3/4/6 TSM movement. Star slab armour ECM and C3 Slave, Heavy laser back up. Endo Steel Chassis, XL engine, AMS. And one full arm for close quarters triple strength.

1 Hunter Urban Mech, 6/9/6 Large Pulse, Double Heat sinks, ECM, BAP, C3 Slave, 2 AMS, 6 tons of Star slab or reflective armour, 2 Medium Pulse Lasers, it is the point Mech and the one that keeps hunts down hidden and light Mechs.

More important, Why would you build a slow light Mech with XLs? My first target, take them down quick and eliminate their fire, also the full arm is not necessary, that's why you have feet. I'd go with Valkyries, LRM-15s for IDF or with ArtIV for LR-direct fire, or just add it as a 5th (non-C3 IDF) unit, reinforced Lance.