US Presidential Candidates

smr wrote:So, I take it that Tenshinai has not read any of wiki leaks emails by the great silence from you on this topic. This is most unlike you to be silent on HRC corruption and willful destruction of the email server and 18 other electronic devices.

You mean the destruction which the FBI stated was in good faith?

Not to mention the rigging of the Democratic primaries. Should not a good Socialist be complaining that Hilary stole the election from Bernie.

Most of the allegations of "rigging" are frankly making mountains out of molehills. Sanders was attacking the DNC and calling them corrupt - do you find it surprising they were disgruntled against him in turn, especially since at the time he had no real chance of winning but inistsed on dragging the race on?

What about Prjoect Veritas that exposed how the Democrats have been stealing numerous elections. Was that not recorded on tape!

You mean the video made by a man who's notorious for falsifying video? Let him release the raw footage if he wants to be taken seriously.

After donating 12 million dollars to the Clinton foundation, they were approved for a huge weapons deal through.

Are you aware that major arms deals are not approved solely by the DoS and don't originate there? That they're approved by Congress and usually by the President (although I'm not sure he's formally part of the process). And that the US has been selling weapons to Saudi Arabia for years? Seriously, given the comments I've seen on this issue, it seems a significant part of the electorate is unaware that SA has been a US ally for decades.

HRC claimed that they were broke when they left the WH. According to their taxes, the HRC and WJC are worth between 200 to 250 million dollars. Did not she just claim a couple of years ago that they were broke.

By my math she claimed they were broke 16 years ago. Whether or not that's true, it's certainly more than "a couple".

Not sure about US courts of law, but a number of things I saw him saying would have resulted in prosecution if he was an Australian citizen and said them here.

smr wrote:Please, show me the proof that will stand up in a court of law. What no proof...Please provide proof that will stand up in a US court of law of the charges of racism.

I will be happy to say that I was wrong. I voted for Trump and had misgivings but I would never have voted for HRC. So did any of you read any of the wiki leaks emails. What were your thoughts when you read the actual emails? Now The E, please be truthful and honorable in your reply because you have the tendency to misrepresent. (Remember when you said you read the book and then later admitted to skimming the book because the book was over 400 pages.)

By Stephanie Slade, "Rights cannot be just for those who will use them to uphold the values you agree with. They must also be for those who will take positions you can't fathom for reasons you can't stomach. Free association, and the freedom to live out your convictions expressively in how you make a living, cannot be reserved for rock stars and fashion designers and other powerful liberals, while being denied to regular Americans."

I included this quote because well I just thought the sentiments expressed so much on the Trump issue for either side.

smr wrote:I will be happy to say that I was wrong. I voted for Trump and had misgivings but I would never have voted for HRC. So did any of you read any of the wiki leaks emails. What were your thoughts when you read the actual emails?

That a large portion of the hysteria surrounding them is founded in ignorance of facts, prejudice, and a desire to justify Trump as the less corrupt, less criminal, more "american" choice.

Make no mistake, there are genuinely troubling things in there. But going by this list, whether or not a given email exchange is such a genuinely troubling thing or a display of ignorance by the people declaring it to be troubling is very much a toss-up (Specifically referring to items 2, 4, 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 46, 47, 56, 72, 77, 80, 83, 94, 98, 100 as examples of whoever compiling this list either having a very faulty understanding of the issues or a burning need to have Clinton be seen as the worst candidate for President ever).

Also note the tone of the commentary on all the items: There is a lot of speaking ex cathedra there, lots of "as everyone knows", and very little in terms of actual research work. I would expect such an analysis to be full of cross-referencing work with other sources to better make points, but I guess such detailed investigative work is beyond whoever wrote this up.

And meanwhile, smr, as a Trump supporter you find yourself in a pool that has people like this in it. Hope you're happy with that.

PeterZ wrote:

Annachie wrote:Please provide a list.

Selective prosecution and praising the KKK tend to show otherwise.

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Putting a KKK murderer away for life is selective? Yeah, right. More progressive name calling here. It's ok to defend rapists, if they support your cause. No gossip is too vile to use against those who do not.

Except he didn't.

I don't believe Sessions himself ever claimed he did.
Chris Galanos was the prosecutor for that case.
Galanos pushed for the death penalty.

The FBI and civil rights organisations pushed for the crime to be investigated.


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To just add to Tensh's comment about election ads.
Down here in Oz they are banned for the 3 days immediatly before the election.

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Lol. Jim Baker.

Counties that voted for Hillary will suffer earthquakes as punishment from God.

Oklahoma, Alaska, Wyoming,

Hmm, didn't they vote Trump?

Also California and Hawaii. But then it looks like the Cal earthquakes happened in counties that voted Trump.

Good prediction Jim.

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But he did make sure the KKK MF was tried in Alabama and subject to the death penalty. Had Sessions wanted, the bastard could have been tried in Federal Court that doesn't have the death penalty. That was really supportive of racists.

Annachie wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
Putting a KKK murderer away for life is selective? Yeah, right. More progressive name calling here. It's ok to defend rapists, if they support your cause. No gossip is too vile to use against those who do not.

Except he didn't.

I don't believe Sessions himself ever claimed he did.
Chris Galanos was the prosecutor for that case.
Galanos pushed for the death penalty.

The FBI and civil rights organisations pushed for the crime to be investigated.


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"Sessions was so disgusted by what had happened that he allowed the State of Alabama to try the case, rather than making it a federal case, because Alabama had the death penalty"

From a right wing article somewhere.

He was so disgusted he let the state conduct the trial of a purely state based crime.
But they, and you Peter, don't mention that he had no reason or right to drag it to federal court.

So aparently doing nothing, when there was nothing he could actually fldo, means he's not a racist.

But calling the KKK a swell buch of guys while the trial was going on doesn't make him one.

Making racially objectionable comments to the plaintiff's lawyer in the following wrongful death case doesn't make him a racist either.

But then, aparently, saying all Mexicans entering the USA are rapists or drug dealers isn't racist either, so yeah Peter, by that logic Sessions is not racist at all.

Then again, our Minister for Immigration down here in Oz is one of the biggest racists in our government, so maybe that's just the way it is.



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Seriously not suprised, but there are voting discrepencies being reported in swing states that sow districts that use electronic voting showed a 7% preference to Trump over districts that used paper.

Whilst it should not be used to question the resulst, though it likely will, it must be properly investigated.

Come to think of it, how well it is investigated will be more telling than any findings.

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Miss 10, who is Aspy, just asked me who Donald Trump's would be.
Mr. Mime aparently because he's known to build barriers and has silly hair.

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