SLN Logistics

SYED wrote:It is said the league only controls around 6 terminii, I wonder what would happen if the manties gain control over them due to lacoon? It might give them full access to the periphery, or a huge tactical advantage in movement in the league itself.

That's the League's problem, the GA controls them all or the majority and therefore they will need to go the long way around for anything thereby amplifying their shortcomings in logistics.

Say the alliance locks down the terminii in the league claimed, they effectively cut the core off from the more distant parts of the verge and beyond. Thus forcing their ship movements to be limited to normal real space travel. That by itself would cause issues with their long distance logistics, and it would limit their operations beyond their own territory. The manties had already crippled their merchant logistics, without access to the terminii, shipping times would be greatly increased for long distances.

This would let the alliance isolate naval forces in the verge so easier to deal with. And when they want to launch their own forces, they would be forced to dedicate a lot of logistics to such an operation.

SYED wrote:Say the alliance locks down the terminii in the league claimed, they effectively cut the core off from the more distant parts of the verge and beyond. Thus forcing their ship movements to be limited to normal real space travel. That by itself would cause issues with their long distance logistics, and it would limit their operations beyond their own territory. The manties had already crippled their merchant logistics, without access to the terminii, shipping times would be greatly increased for long distances.

This would let the alliance isolate naval forces in the verge so easier to deal with. And when they want to launch their own forces, they would be forced to dedicate a lot of logistics to such an operation.

Eventually they will start to pop the picket forces. You only have so much time before they can effectively do this, and the clock is running. A WH picket is in a terrible defensive position, as the attacker can appear without any warning at energy range. So the defender has to be ready to fight instantly all the time, and the attacker only needs to be ready to fight when they are ready to attack.

kzt wrote:Eventually they will start to pop the picket forces. You only have so much time before they can effectively do this, and the clock is running. A WH picket is in a terrible defensive position, as the attacker can appear without any warning at energy range. So the defender has to be ready to fight instantly all the time, and the attacker only needs to be ready to fight when they are ready to attack.

It's not that bad - the picket forces only need to be somewhere within about 1.6 million km of the terminus in order to get their 1st salvo in before anybody could clear the lane.

Even if you can emerge with pinpoint accuracy you need to be within 400,000 km of your target to engage with beams; and the blockaders should be moving around in a randomized pattern within that zone - so you'd either need luck or a ton of platforms to be likely to have them within energy range.

Plus termini have small hyperlimits of their own, and a dangerous resonance zone fanning out from them towards the nearest star. So close jumps are a little dangerous.

Oh, and the last time we saw someone try something like that, Citizen Rear Admiral Gregor Darlington's forces at Basilisk missed their jump by a mere 23.7 million km. Just slightly more than energy range...


(And that same book made the point that, as least with a crash transition, the crew is somewhat "incapacitated [...] for anywhere from ten seconds to two full minutes, depending on the individual. During those seconds and minutes, only the ships' automated missile defenses were available to stave off attack, and had any hostile vessel been in position to take advantage of that brief helplessness, the price could have been catastrophic.")


I've no doubt that the SLN can chase off the light forces the RMN is using to blockade wormholes. But I doubt they'll be able to catch and crush many of them.

kzt wrote:

SYED wrote:Say the alliance locks down the terminii in the league claimed, they effectively cut the core off from the more distant parts of the verge and beyond. Thus forcing their ship movements to be limited to normal real space travel. That by itself would cause issues with their long distance logistics, and it would limit their operations beyond their own territory. The manties had already crippled their merchant logistics, without access to the terminii, shipping times would be greatly increased for long distances.

This would let the alliance isolate naval forces in the verge so easier to deal with. And when they want to launch their own forces, they would be forced to dedicate a lot of logistics to such an operation.

Eventually they will start to pop the picket forces. You only have so much time before they can effectively do this, and the clock is running. A WH picket is in a terrible defensive position, as the attacker can appear without any warning at energy range. So the defender has to be ready to fight instantly all the time, and the attacker only needs to be ready to fight when they are ready to attack.

If it is an important WH, you have a small picket at the WH and a much larger picket in a nearby system. You don't have to be right on the WH to deny it's use to the enemy, as long as you have a small force on the WH and a larger force to push anyone who tries to force their way through it could work.

Sigs wrote:If it is an important WH, you have a small picket at the WH and a much larger picket in a nearby system. You don't have to be right on the WH to deny it's use to the enemy, as long as you have a small force on the WH and a larger force to push anyone who tries to force their way through it could work.

I will add that the reactions of the systems nearest those wormholes likely follow three basic and not entirely exclusive tracks:

1)The outraged letter from the system military asking Manticore to remove its ships

2)Representative of a major local shipping concern asking for clarification of the new operating procedures.

3)I am from the Foreign Ministry and would like to propose a new agreement with Manticore

I believe that most of the Wormholes siezed in Laocoon are in the verge and protectorates, and we have text ev that most of these systems so dislike the SL that anyone else who could give them protection is likely to get a hearing.

I wonder how many league controlled or influenced terminii get access to the fees it produces, rather than going to the corrupt system. Those are mostly to ally with the alliance.

A picket force would be tricky to remove. With FTL propels and sensors scattered around a system, it would be hard to sneak in. Also, haven can offer plenty of missiles to augement a naval presence.

SYED wrote:I wonder how many league controlled or influenced terminii get access to the fees it produces, rather than going to the corrupt system. Those are mostly to ally with the alliance.

A picket force would be tricky to remove. With FTL propels and sensors scattered around a system, it would be hard to sneak in. Also, haven can offer plenty of missiles to augement a naval presence.

If you get no fees for the large amount of traffic, or 50% of nothing, how does that change benefit you?

Just the league and tramstellar a are blocked from the terminii, the verge merchant ships are potentially free to travel.

SYED wrote:Just the league and tramstellar a are blocked from the terminii, the verge merchant ships are potentially free to travel.

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