Duckk said take Mrs Clinton\not in jail here.

Regarding Comey:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161 ... ures.shtml

In general I think US politics have become a cesspool during the last decades and right now you have two horse thieves as presidential candidates.

I think the words of Joseph de Maistre fits the current election perfectly:

False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing

and

Every nation gets the government it deserves

Joat42 wrote:Regarding Comey:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161 ... ures.shtml

In general I think US politics have become a cesspool during the last decades and right now you have two horse thieves as presidential candidates.

I think the words of Joseph de Maistre fits the current election perfectly:

False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing

and

Every nation gets the government it deserves

Didn't some Greek Guy name of Solon confess that he did not give Athens the best laws he could, he gave them the best laws their prejudices would accept? We dodged the bullet for decades getting better government than we deserved. We ran out of luck.

Daryl wrote:
What Facts?

Comey didn't release any facts. "There are e-mails on someone else's laptop, we don't know what's in them but maybe there will be something that matters after we look that possibly maybe has anything problematic to do with Clinton" isn't providing the public with any facts to base decisions on. It's just speculation and innuendo.

Exactly. Not one piece of actual information about potential wrong doing. Just a speculative hand grenade thrown out at the worst possible time. Perception is everything, and this unfairly alters that. If it happened here the Federal Police Chief would be out of work regardless of who won.[/quote]

And on Sunday Its all brushed back under the carpet. No new info. And the circus continues. perhaps some tekkie can explain why it took the FBI so lonf to come to this conclusion. I am unser the impression that a mere terrabyte of emails can be sorted out in hours, no more than a day. besides the 24hr +/- hours for the warrant, why the 5 day delay?

WeirdlyWired wrote:And on Sunday Its all brushed back under the carpet. No new info. And the circus continues. perhaps some tekkie can explain why it took the FBI so lonf to come to this conclusion. I am unser the impression that a mere terrabyte of emails can be sorted out in hours, no more than a day. besides the 24hr +/- hours for the warrant, why the 5 day delay?

Running an initial query on this email archive to filter out emails sent to and from Hillary Clinton takes seconds (Assuming a relatively recent db server and a reasonably intelligent email parser to fill the db in the first place). Sifting through the results and determining whether they contain new, actionable information requires humans to look at each and every mail, cross-reference it with already known email chains, and in cases where new emails are uncovered, to make a judgment call whether or not anything actionable is in there. This process does take time; Without knowing the volume of emails that are genuinely new in this dump and without knowing the evaluation criteria, it is impossible to tell whether this was an extraordinarily quick or just regular length investigation.

WeirdlyWired wrote:
And on Sunday Its all brushed back under the carpet. No new info. And the circus continues. perhaps some tekkie can explain why it took the FBI so lonf to come to this conclusion. I am unser the impression that a mere terrabyte of emails can be sorted out in hours, no more than a day. besides the 24hr +/- hours for the warrant, why the 5 day delay?

A TERRABYTE of emails could literally mean MILLIONS of emails.
Checking my own HDD, the account i have around 2000 emails on, it takes up less than 200MB. And that includes a fair number of 4k picture files.
That would mean 1 TB of emails with the same average size would be around TEN MILLION.

You MAY be able to sort the emails in a few hours, but figuring them out in detail takes a ridiculous amount of time.

Tenshinai wrote:You MAY be able to sort the emails in a few hours, but figuring them out in detail takes a ridiculous amount of time.

Yeah, you'd need a Computer to do it, and who has one of those these days.

Seriously, this is not a huge task.

The E wrote:

Tenshinai wrote:You MAY be able to sort the emails in a few hours, but figuring them out in detail takes a ridiculous amount of time.

Yeah, you'd need a Computer to do it, and who has one of those these days.

Seriously, this is not a huge task.

Let´s repeat after me, MILLIONS of emails if the statement about "terrabyte" was correct.

The computer sorting can only do so much, even if it´s "just" 0.1% of mails that are relevant, that still ends up being thousands that needs to be gone through manually.

That´s not something you do in a few hours(unless you have ridiculous amounts of manpower of course). And if it was a relevant archive, i rather doubt that the percentage of relevant mails was that low.


Doesn´t matter either way, it was a stupidly blatant part of Clinton-esque mudslinging and character assassination.

Tenshinai wrote:Yeah, you'd need a Computer to do it, and who has one of those these days.

Seriously, this is not a huge task.

Let´s repeat after me, MILLIONS of emails if the statement about "terrabyte" was correct.

The computer sorting can only do so much, even if it´s "just" 0.1% of mails that are relevant, that still ends up being thousands that needs to be gone through manually.

That´s not something you do in a few hours(unless you have ridiculous amounts of manpower of course). And if it was a relevant archive, i rather doubt that the percentage of relevant mails was that low.


Doesn´t matter either way, it was a stupidly blatant part of Clinton-esque mudslinging and character assassination.

No it was not a terrabyte of emails, It was only 35000 or so. regardless NSA does huge multi terrabyte dumps and sifts through the meta-data in days. Surely the FBI is almost as sophisticated as NSA? A couple of sorts when you have the meta date for duplicate emails can reduce that 3500 into 3 piles: not relevant, duplications, red flag. At any rate it should not have required 7 days from the date they got their warrant to make that determination.

WeirdlyWired wrote:No it was not a terrabyte of emails, It was only 35000 or so. regardless NSA does huge multi terrabyte dumps and sifts through the meta-data in days. Surely the FBI is almost as sophisticated as NSA? A couple of sorts when you have the meta date for duplicate emails can reduce that 3500 into 3 piles: not relevant, duplications, red flag. At any rate it should not have required 7 days from the date they got their warrant to make that determination.

You think the NSA would let FBI even close to their toys? Hah! That would truly be the day.
And no, the FBI does not have anything remotely close to NSA when it comes to computers, either hardware or software. They don´t have any kind of budget to buy those kind of setups.

2nd, NSA style "sift through" would most likely not be very useful for a case like this, because they´re looking for different things than the FBI would be interested in.

3rd, i just opposed the stupid statement that ~"a mere TB of emails" was nothing at all to go through.

4th, i hope you realise that the time it took almost certainly had very little to do with technical abilities and very much to do with politics.

Tenshinai wrote:

WeirdlyWired wrote:No it was not a terrabyte of emails, It was only 35000 or so. regardless NSA does huge multi terrabyte dumps and sifts through the meta-data in days. Surely the FBI is almost as sophisticated as NSA? A couple of sorts when you have the meta date for duplicate emails can reduce that 3500 into 3 piles: not relevant, duplications, red flag. At any rate it should not have required 7 days from the date they got their warrant to make that determination.

You think the NSA would let FBI even close to their toys? Hah! That would truly be the day.
And no, the FBI does not have anything remotely close to NSA when it comes to computers, either hardware or software. They don´t have any kind of budget to buy those kind of setups.

2nd, NSA style "sift through" would most likely not be very useful for a case like this, because they´re looking for different things than the FBI would be interested in.

3rd, i just opposed the stupid statement that ~"a mere TB of emails" was nothing at all to go through.

4th, i hope you realise that the time it took almost certainly had very little to do with technical abilities and very much to do with politics.

Software to do this is commercially available as it's used in ediscovery (and discovery can involve a lot more than