[Minor spoiler] Why Włocławek is a bad name for a planet

both of which are pronounced with the long e, of course

[quote="John Prigent"]Ahah! Thanks Vince, that is a useful idea - which I shall try to remember. It may explain why some German-speakers have problems with English words like 'frieze' and 'neither' which go the other way.

Cheers, John

cthia wrote:My niece is so funny...

"The name of the planet will only prompt unworldly Americans to mistreat its pronunciation just like they do 'Worchestire' sauce. My bff's dad calls it 'What's this here' sauce." LOL

We just call it Wooster.

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Louis R wrote:both of which are pronounced with the long e, of course

John Prigent wrote:Ahah! Thanks Vince, that is a useful idea - which I shall try to remember. It may explain why some German-speakers have problems with English words like 'frieze' and 'neither' which go the other way.

Cheers, John

Frieze in English is pronounced correctly with the long e, but neither can be pronounced correctly with either* the long e, or the long i.

* Which can also be pronounced correctly with the long e or the long i.

Correct! Which is why I chose those examples - just to confuse Americans . Incidentally, 'Woostersheer' is the correct way to pronounce 'Worcestershire'. And you really don't want to get involved with English pronunciations of old surnames!

Cheers, John

Vince wrote:

Louis R wrote:both of which are pronounced with the long e, of course

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Frieze in English is pronounced correctly with the long e, but neither can be pronounced correctly with either* the long e, or the long i.

* Which can also be pronounced correctly with the long e or the long i.

John Prigent wrote:Correct! Which is why I chose those examples - just to confuse Americans . Incidentally, 'Woostersheer' is the correct way to pronounce 'Worcestershire'. And you really don't want to get involved with English pronunciations of old surnames!

Cheers, John

Woostersher is also correct John. I admit to mangling it as well as anyone else until I visited the town of the same name in England. Back in 1998 when they split from their neighboring town of Herefordshire, I attended a friend's wedding there. It was referred to as Herford and Wooster. Much as the two cities of Winston and Salem in North Carolina merged into Winston-Salem.

I've heard the sauce shortened to Wooster before, as Annachie says. My point is that traveling is what schooled me. Hence, my niece's remark about unworldly Americans.

Good for you, Cthia! Now, are you a sufficiently worldly American to know how the surname of one of my old schoolmasters, 'Marjoribanks', is pronounced?

Cheers, John

cthia wrote:

John Prigent wrote:Correct! Which is why I chose those examples - just to confuse Americans . Incidentally, 'Woostersheer' is the correct way to pronounce 'Worcestershire'. And you really don't want to get involved with English pronunciations of old surnames!

Cheers, John

Woostersher is also correct John. I admit to mangling it as well as anyone else until I visited the town of the same name in England. Back in 1998 when they split from their neighboring town of Herefordshire, I attended a friend's wedding there. It was referred to as Herford and Wooster. Much as the two cities of Winston and Salem in North Carolina merged into Winston-Salem.

I've heard the sauce shortened to Wooster before, as Annachie says. My point is that traveling is what schooled me. Hence, my niece's remark about unworldly Americans.

Is it Marshbanks?

I didn't know it John. My niece is visiting. She spilled the beans.

During my stay in California, I was confronted with the name Beauchamp. Which I pronounced Bowchamp. Everyone looked at me rather humorously. It is Beechum. My wife says Forcester is Foster. Many people mispronounce Camp Lejeune as LeJune. It is LeZhern.

John Prigent wrote:Good for you, Cthia! Now, are you a sufficiently worldly American to know how the surname of one of my old schoolmasters, 'Marjoribanks', is pronounced?

Cheers, John

cthia wrote:

John Prigent wrote:Correct! Which is why I chose those examples - just to confuse Americans . Incidentally, 'Woostersheer' is the correct way to pronounce 'Worcestershire'. And you really don't want to get involved with English pronunciations of old surnames!

Cheers, John

Woostersher is also correct John. I admit to mangling it as well as anyone else until I visited the town of the same name in England. Back in 1998 when they split from their neighboring town of Herefordshire, I attended a friend's wedding there. It was referred to as Herford and Wooster. Much as the two cities of Winston and Salem in North Carolina merged into Winston-Salem.

I've heard the sauce shortened to Wooster before, as Annachie says. My point is that traveling is what schooled me. Hence, my niece's remark about unworldly Americans.

cthia wrote:Is it Marshbanks?

I didn't know it John. My niece is visiting. She spilled the beans.

During my stay in California, I was confronted with the name Beauchamp. Which I pronounced Bowchamp. Everyone looked at me rather humorously. It is Beechum. My wife says Forcester is Foster. Many people mispronounce Camp Lejeune as LeJune. It is LeZhern.

Which I suspect would be pronounced as Lejern on Safehold. And probably spelled Lyzhyrn.

John, have you ever heard of locals pronouncing Herefordshire and Worcestershire as Herf and Woost inside social circles? I have. But it is something peculiar. My wife explained it to me. People from Wooster are quick to shorten it to Herf and Woost. But people from Herefordshire aren't. Social sense of pecking order?

cthia wrote:Is it Marshbanks?

I didn't know it John. My niece is visiting. She spilled the beans.

During my stay in California, I was confronted with the name Beauchamp. Which I pronounced Bowchamp. Everyone looked at me rather humorously. It is Beechum. My wife says Forcester is Foster. Many people mispronounce Camp Lejeune as LeJune. It is LeZhern.

John Prigent wrote:Good for you, Cthia! Now, are you a sufficiently worldly American to know how the surname of one of my old schoolmasters, 'Marjoribanks', is pronounced?

Cheers, John

cthia wrote:

John Prigent wrote:Correct! Which is why I chose those examples - just to confuse Americans . Incidentally, 'Woostersheer' is the correct way to pronounce 'Worcestershire'. And you really don't want to get involved with English pronunciations of old surnames!

Cheers, John

Woostersher is also correct John. I admit to mangling it as well as anyone else until I visited the town of the same name in England. Back in 1998 when they split from their neighboring town of Herefordshire, I attended a friend's wedding there. It was referred to as Herford and Wooster. Much as the two cities of Winston and Salem in North Carolina merged into Winston-Salem.

I've heard the sauce shortened to Wooster before, as Annachie says. My point is that traveling is what schooled me. Hence, my niece's remark about unworldly Americans.

Vince wrote:

cthia wrote:Is it Marshbanks?

I didn't know it John. My niece is visiting. She spilled the beans.

During my stay in California, I was confronted with the name Beauchamp. Which I pronounced Bowchamp. Everyone looked at me rather humorously. It is Beechum. My wife says Forcester is Foster. Many people mispronounce Camp Lejeune as LeJune. It is LeZhern.

Which I suspect would be pronounced as Lejern on Safehold. And probably spelled Lyzhyrn.

If Worchester is pronounced Wooster, why isn't Dorchester pronounced Dooster?

Try Meaux (hint short for mayonaisse), Hebert (just one critter with a rifle), Latiolais, St. Cyr, and all the weird names in my family tree.