Duckk said take Mrs Clinton\not in jail here.

So why vote for the one candidate that will increase systemic corruption? Trump hasn't proven he can pull off making the system more corrupt. Clinton has.

As for the GOP, Trump is already castrating that organization. They are tearing themselves apart. If he wins the party organization supporting him will be in shambles. Clinton's party will have been strengthened by her victory. Status quo corruption gets bigger and better.

Voting for Trump is the best way to reduce both parties influence in politics. Perhaps opening up general elections for all the smaller parties out there.

I have no illusions about either candidate. I am willing to accept the painful price of changing the current system the elites control. Sure they will always have more influence than everyday grunts, but they will have less than they do now. Vote Trump to reduce political party elites control over our government.

PeterZ wrote:So why vote for the one candidate that will increase systemic corruption? Trump hasn't proven he can pull off making the system more corrupt. Clinton has.

As for the GOP, Trump is already castrating that organization. They are tearing themselves apart. If he wins the party organization supporting him will be in shambles.

Did you not just finish arguing that your assumption Trump would be unable to wreak havoc with his recklessly irresponsible behavior and temperament was in large part based on that exact party organization holding him in check?

Clinton's party will have been strengthened by her victory. Status quo corruption gets bigger and better.

It's getting bigger in either case unfortunately. Clinton is susceptible to being influenced by corrupt rich money men... Trump IS one of the most corrupt rich money men doing the influencing. And, often, publicly bragging about it.

Putting him in office is just cutting out the middle man.

My dear gcomeau, the GOP is tearing ITSELF apart in their hatred of Trump. That all the Bushes would support that criminal tells all the front line Registered Republicans to seriously doubt anything the GOP hierarchy says. They lost credibility. Candidates may still win and their love for Trump will be small indeed for sparking all this damaging infighting. They will jump to move against him for the slightest reasons. The Dems will do the same. Only a rare few will owe Trump anything.

As the investigations into Clinton re-opens, that will splash on Dem leadership. Only a sitting President can save the Dems now. If she loses the election, the re-opened investigation can damage a lot of Dems.

IMy position hasn't changed since we first discussed this. I will not vote for Clinton as she has the organization to avoid prosecution stemming from her corrupt activities. Absent the wiki leaks revelations, she and the complicit press would have succeeded avoiding the current mess.

Lol Peter.

After all the GOP pedophillia scandals to break, and not damage the GOP in the slightest, this year alone do you honestly expect anything to actually happen?

To either party.

About anything.

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Government of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%; with the collusion of the next 4%. the only question is how to sucker the rest of us into legitimizing the government.

Fortunately, or not as you will, the 5% are divided into the self interested and the Enlightened self interested. What we are seeing in both parties with Trump and Bernie Sanders is the disconnect between the elites and their puppets and the rest of us. hopefully the torchlight has penetrated their gated communities. But maybe not.

If not it is going to be a bumpy ride and I hope both parties share the angst.

As for the FBI bomb, we know nothing. we are speculating. It will either show some real actionable activity or prove onece again that either HRC is rotten scum cheating her way out of retribution, or she has once again managed to skirt the law without actually breaking it. Either way, for now, the Circus continues and we are distracted from the Federal court ruling that the GOP in NC has systematically suppressed minority voting. That the Indiana State police has illegally seized thousands of voter registration forms in an attempt to suppress minority voting.

And trump is correctly saying the election is being stolen Unfortunately it is HIS party doing the stealing.

I am not sure this investigation hasn't uncovered serious amounts of corrupted data. Either corrupted by criminal intents and or incompetence. I am ok with further investigation to determine if the State was guilty of errors/wrongdoing or this activist group. Since those taped conversations revealed Dem operative sending goons to cause violence at Trump rallies, both sides have to be suspected.

I have been saying this for a while. The voter registration lists are the prime source of election fraud. They need to erased and everyone reregistered at some point with serious oversight from the public. Not sure if oversight should be limited to the major parties and or the Feds. I would like to seem a few independent news organizations involved as well.

http://www.wthr.com/article/indiana-state-police-provide-update-on-voter-fraud-investigation

WeirdlyWired wrote:Government of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%; with the collusion of the next 4%. the only question is how to sucker the rest of us into legitimizing the government.

Fortunately, or not as you will, the 5% are divided into the self interested and the Enlightened self interested. What we are seeing in both parties with Trump and Bernie Sanders is the disconnect between the elites and their puppets and the rest of us. hopefully the torchlight has penetrated their gated communities. But maybe not.

If not it is going to be a bumpy ride and I hope both parties share the angst.

As for the FBI bomb, we know nothing. we are speculating. It will either show some real actionable activity or prove onece again that either HRC is rotten scum cheating her way out of retribution, or she has once again managed to skirt the law without actually breaking it. Either way, for now, the Circus continues and we are distracted from the Federal court ruling that the GOP in NC has systematically suppressed minority voting. That the Indiana State police has illegally seized thousands of voter registration forms in an attempt to suppress minority voting.

And trump is correctly saying the election is being stolen Unfortunately it is HIS party doing the stealing.

The only pedophilia investigation I am aware of is Huma Abadin's esteanged husband, Anthony Wiener. He is a Dem. Abedin is Hillary's chief aide.

He's not GOP.

Annachie wrote:Lol Peter.

After all the GOP pedophillia scandals to break, and not damage the GOP in the slightest, this year alone do you honestly expect anything to actually happen?

To either party.

About anything.

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PeterZ wrote:The only pedophilia investigation I am aware of is Huma Abadin's esteanged husband, Anthony Wiener. He is a Dem. Abedin is Hillary's chief aide.

He's not GOP.

Annachie wrote:Lol Peter.

After all the GOP pedophillia scandals to break, and not damage the GOP in the slightest, this year alone do you honestly expect anything to actually happen?

To either party.

About anything.

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As far as I can tel the head of the FBI sent a letter to congress that yet more emails (or not) were discovered on Anthony Weiner's electronic devices that his wife may or may not have had access to. Since these documents are NOT tweets or ehatever ciovered under the warrant, they can NOT legally access them. So far as I can find, 2130 hrs Saturday PST, they have yet to obtain a warrant to even look at them. So the FBI has no idea what they are except the metadata seems to have/ paaprrently has (who knows, vague letter) Hillary's server address somewhere in them.

[quote="WeirdlyWired"]
As far as I can tel the head of the FBI sent a letter to congress that yet more emails (or not) were discovered on Anthony Weiner's electronic devices that his wife may or may not have had access to. Since these documents are NOT tweets or ehatever ciovered under the warrant, they can NOT legally access them. So far as I can find, 2130 hrs Saturday PST, they have yet to obtain a warrant to even look at them. So the FBI has no idea what they are except the metadata seems to have/ paaprrently has (who knows, vague letter) Hillary's server address somewhere in them.[/quote

ADDENDUM: Weiner (New York) was found to have been sexting with a minor in North Carolina. This is what triggered HRC's aide (Huma Abedin-Weiner) to file for divorce. There was a jurisdiction fight between NY and NC over who would get to prosecute Weiner. Apparently NY won late Thursday and rhe FBI got a warrant to search tweets.

DoJ cautioned Jmes Comey that police discourages making announcements that coud affect this (or any other) election, especially since he had absolutely NO information about the emails except that they exist.

The more I read the more I despair. Don't say that outsiders have no interest. When the US sneezes the world catches cold. Everything points to your entire system being broken.
About the one good aspect is that it makes our system look a lot less shambolic in comparison.
I could point to many things that are wrong, but the election of police and judiciary is plain weird, that Clinton and Trump are your two champions is weirder, and it has become increasingly obvious here and in the world press that the United States Of America is more about individual States and less about the United. Every developed country is one country with some state/county/department/province minor local variations. Works.