QUESTION ABOUT WEAPON SYSTEMS

intresting but something you also have to consider is that the Star Knight and Reliant (still being fairly new at the start of the first war) are the closest to modern designs listed there, so as interesting as the info given is it is very dated.

not counting Sd(p) there were at least 2 more designs of SDs, BC(P) and BCL designs replacing the Reliant BC, 3 versions of CA, and I believe four CL designs after the Courageous class.

Re : The fleet train, there's also hospital ships, IIRC. I think there was some mention of Dr. Montoya serving/potentially serving on one somewhere.

There was also the repair ship used as cover for Project Anzio and HMS Minotaur.

Dauntless wrote:intresting but something you also have to consider is that the Star Knight and Reliant (still being fairly new at the start of the first war) are the closest to modern designs listed there, so as interesting as the info given is it is very dated.

not counting Sd(p) there were at least 2 more designs of SDs, BC(P) and BCL designs replacing the Reliant BC, 3 versions of CA, and I believe four CL designs after the Courageous class.

Yes I know. Unfortunately Jaynes and SITS only cover the pre-war era and only include limited subsets of even those older ships; so we have no energy weapons details (that I'm aware of) for any of the modern designs.

Jonathan_S wrote:

Dauntless wrote:intresting but something you also have to consider is that the Star Knight and Reliant (still being fairly new at the start of the first war) are the closest to modern designs listed there, so as interesting as the info given is it is very dated.

not counting Sd(p) there were at least 2 more designs of SDs, BC(P) and BCL designs replacing the Reliant BC, 3 versions of CA, and I believe four CL designs after the Courageous class.

Yes I know. Unfortunately Jaynes and SITS only cover the pre-war era and only include limited subsets of even those older ships; so we have no energy weapons details (that I'm aware of) for any of the modern designs.

Still, it gives some decent hints to go on. Unlike missiles, the energy weapons themselves haven't really changed over the course of the series. Ships mount different sizes than they used to, but apart from that and a couple of mostly throwaway lines about grav lensing things don't seem to have changed much. So you can still probably use those sizes as *general* guidelines, i.e. a 'superdreadnought' graser is probably still in the 350-400cm aperture range, it's just that battlecruisers mount them too now.

If overall power scales with aperture area (probably not unreasonable) that makes a DN/SD graser something like 5-8 times as powerful as a CA/BC graser, which is itself roughly 12 times as powerful as a DD/CL graser. Makes it more obvious why Bellerophon was able to so casually vaporize Admiral Pierre's BC divisions!

MuonNeutrino wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:Yes I know. Unfortunately Jaynes and SITS only cover the pre-war era and only include limited subsets of even those older ships; so we have no energy weapons details (that I'm aware of) for any of the modern designs.

Still, it gives some decent hints to go on. Unlike missiles, the energy weapons themselves haven't really changed over the course of the series. Ships mount different sizes than they used to, but apart from that and a couple of mostly throwaway lines about grav lensing things don't seem to have changed much. So you can still probably use those sizes as *general* guidelines, i.e. a 'superdreadnought' graser is probably still in the 350-400cm aperture range, it's just that battlecruisers mount them too now.

If overall power scales with aperture area (probably not unreasonable) that makes a DN/SD graser something like 5-8 times as powerful as a CA/BC graser, which is itself roughly 12 times as powerful as a DD/CL graser. Makes it more obvious why Bellerophon was able to so casually vaporize Admiral Pierre's BC divisions!

There are also mentions in the PRN Jayne's book and the SITS Silesian books that Manty energy weapons were more advanced and compact than other nations. Silesian units actually mounted such lighter mounts, that Manty Destroyers had the same energy batteries as Silesian Heavy Cruisers, and heavy cruisers that of Battlecruisers.

MuonNeutrino wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:Yes I know. Unfortunately Jaynes and SITS only cover the pre-war era and only include limited subsets of even those older ships; so we have no energy weapons details (that I'm aware of) for any of the modern designs.

Still, it gives some decent hints to go on. Unlike missiles, the energy weapons themselves haven't really changed over the course of the series. Ships mount different sizes than they used to, but apart from that and a couple of mostly throwaway lines about grav lensing things don't seem to have changed much. So you can still probably use those sizes as *general* guidelines, i.e. a 'superdreadnought' graser is probably still in the 350-400cm aperture range, it's just that battlecruisers mount them too now.

If overall power scales with aperture area (probably not unreasonable) that makes a DN/SD graser something like 5-8 times as powerful as a CA/BC graser, which is itself roughly 12 times as powerful as a DD/CL graser. Makes it more obvious why Bellerophon was able to so casually vaporize Admiral Pierre's BC divisions!

There's some possibility that the Graysons pushed the size of their SD-range grasers upward, into hithertho unheard-of sizes. All their home-grown SD designs had pure graser armanents just like their BCs. Why not proportionately upscaled like them too?

Found the cite, for once: " The chase energy weapons of a late-generation SD as of the time of Echoes of Honor are probably somewhere in the 5.5 to 6 meter range. Broadside weapons for the same ship would run in the 4.5 to 5 meter range. Needless to say, both are very destructive.", from http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/78/1

munroburton wrote:

MuonNeutrino wrote:Still, it gives some decent hints to go on. Unlike missiles, the energy weapons themselves haven't really changed over the course of the series. Ships mount different sizes than they used to, but apart from that and a couple of mostly throwaway lines about grav lensing things don't seem to have changed much. So you can still probably use those sizes as *general* guidelines, i.e. a 'superdreadnought' graser is probably still in the 350-400cm aperture range, it's just that battlecruisers mount them too now.

If overall power scales with aperture area (probably not unreasonable) that makes a DN/SD graser something like 5-8 times as powerful as a CA/BC graser, which is itself roughly 12 times as powerful as a DD/CL graser. Makes it more obvious why Bellerophon was able to so casually vaporize Admiral Pierre's BC divisions!

There's some possibility that the Graysons pushed the size of their SD-range grasers upward, into hithertho unheard-of sizes. All their home-grown SD designs had pure graser armanents just like their BCs. Why not proportionately upscaled like them too?

Louis R wrote:Found the cite, for once: " The chase energy weapons of a late-generation SD as of the time of Echoes of Honor are probably somewhere in the 5.5 to 6 meter range. Broadside weapons for the same ship would run in the 4.5 to 5 meter range. Needless to say, both are very destructive.", from http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... ngton/78/1

Great spot! I knew there was a 600cm graser somewhere.

I knew there was one other item that I forgot.

OK, so beam/energy weapons are retained for close-in fighting, or I suppose should you run out of missiles.

Again I hearken back to Starfire. There, you had 'sprint mode' missiles, that were short ranged, but could not be intercepted by any point defense, and were used along with beam/energy weapons for close ranged combat.

Is something like that feasible in Honorverse?


Thanks again
Jeff

Cataphract wrote:I knew there was one other item that I forgot.

OK, so beam/energy weapons are retained for close-in fighting, or I suppose should you run out of missiles.

Again I hearken back to Starfire. There, you had 'sprint mode' missiles, that were short ranged, but could not be intercepted by any point defense, and were used along with beam/energy weapons for close ranged combat.

Is something like that feasible in Honorverse?


Thanks again
Jeff

No.

The closest thing to a Starfire sprint mode attack missile in the Honorverse is an attack missile with a counter-missile drive, which is still able to able to intercepted by point defense.