End Of Safehold or end of the first series?

I'm sure I read on this site once that David said there would be a time when they would be back. I think its in faqs

Weird Harold wrote:

phillies wrote:
Whether it is anticlimactic depends on whether the Federation analysis of the Gbaba had any merit....

You missed the "war-porn" qualifier.

I can't think of any successful campaign against the Gbaba that wouldn't be "war-porn" and the struggle to get a force built to conduct a successful campaign would be far more interesting to me. The entire campaign against the Gbaba could be reduced to two scenes and resolve the entire series satisfactorily: First re-encounter and demonstration of Safeholdian superiority and a final "Shiva Option" destruction of the final Gbaba world.

The point of my comment is that the first encounter shows that the real Gbaba navy has substantial technical and quantitative superiority, the Gbaba fleets being encountered were whatever came out first forma local storeroom.

I still think the best 'plucky small group of humans against inimical galaxy-wide empire' setting to expand upon would be The Excalibur Alternative. The Gbaba/Achultaani groups are much more 2-dimensional.

saber964 wrote:

Dauntless wrote:don't the fifth empire (Dahk) and Fury books class as completed series.

i know there is talk of doing more with both but as it currently stands there is nothing forthcoming for them and both were left at points where while we would love more, more is not needed.

No, on the Dahk series, because the Actuani haven't been defeated yet.

Eh, we're not shown the final battle, but unless something completely unexpected happens it would be a complete curbstomp. It'll be centuries before the Achuultani even find out their fleet got destroyed; by then Colin et al. will have a jillion planetoid ships reactivated.

And the ships in Armageddon Inheritance were horribly undersupplied and limited by having to defend Earth. IIRC if they'd had full missile complements and space to fall back, even that small number could have defeated the fleet with little to no losses.

I don't think there's anything the Achuultani could do against 10,000 or 100,000 planetoids showing up at their home systems.

DMcCunney wrote:And I do have to wonder about the assumptions of Langhorne, Bedard, et al, that humanity can dive into a hole, pull it in after them, and be safe forever by never poking their head out again. The original assumption behind Operation Ark was that humanity would abjure advanced technology for 300 years, to give the Gbaba time to decide they had successfully exterminated humanity and go back to whatever they were doing before they found us.

But we don't know what they were doing, and while they might stop actively looking for humanity, we can't assume they aren't still expanding and swatting anything they see as a threat in the process. Sooner or later, if they are expanding, they are likely to encounter Safehold, and no betraying high tech emissions won't save humanity if they decide to take a closer look.

Eh, that's the least of the problems with the Langhorne/Bedard plan. The TF, IIRC, did know the limits of Gbaba space, and knew Safehold was way, way beyond them.

And the Gbaba are probably not expanding. Their sphere is tiny in galactic terms (though huge relative to the TF, which had only 14 major worlds) yet they've had FTL for thousands of years or more (they've been using the same ship design for 2000 years).

And the Gbaba are not likely to last long (in evolutionary terms). In the tiny area of space the TF explored, they ran into the Gbaba and found evidence of one other intelligent, technological species. So intelligent species are relatively common in the Safeholdverse - unless Earth's neighborhood is extremely atypical, there should be millions at least in the Milky Way. Sooner or later the Gbaba will pick a fight with somebody stronger...

cralkhi wrote:

DMcCunney wrote:And I do have to wonder about the assumptions of Langhorne, Bedard, et al, that humanity can dive into a hole, pull it in after them, and be safe forever by never poking their head out again. The original assumption behind Operation Ark was that humanity would abjure advanced technology for 300 years, to give the Gbaba time to decide they had successfully exterminated humanity and go back to whatever they were doing before they found us.

But we don't know what they were doing, and while they might stop actively looking for humanity, we can't assume they aren't still expanding and swatting anything they see as a threat in the process. Sooner or later, if they are expanding, they are likely to encounter Safehold, and no betraying high tech emissions won't save humanity if they decide to take a closer look.

Eh, that's the least of the problems with the Langhorne/Bedard plan. The TF, IIRC, did know the limits of Gbaba space, and knew Safehold was way, way beyond them.

And the Gbaba are probably not expanding. Their sphere is tiny in galactic terms (though huge relative to the TF, which had only 14 major worlds) yet they've had FTL for thousands of years or more (they've been using the same ship design for 2000 years).

And the Gbaba are not likely to last long (in evolutionary terms). In the tiny area of space the TF explored, they ran into the Gbaba and found evidence of one other intelligent, technological species. So intelligent species are relatively common in the Safeholdverse - unless Earth's neighborhood is extremely atypical, there should be millions at least in the Milky Way. Sooner or later the Gbaba will pick a fight with somebody stronger...

. . . but I really do hope that the default attitude of that "somebody stronger" is not hostile. Otherwise it might be a case of "out of the frying pan into the fire"!
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OK, assume a united Safehold with boot-strapped TF technology a couple generations after the CoGA war. What would be their first order of business in space?

I think that the axiom of 'once burned, twice shy' may be appropriate. If so, then would not Safehold II, as originally intended, be logical. Maybe even several of them with set timeframes before uncovering technology.

After they are established, then start hunting the Gbaba.

Charybdis wrote:OK, assume a united Safehold with boot-strapped TF technology a couple generations after the CoGA war. What would be their first order of business in space?

I think that the axiom of 'once burned, twice shy' may be appropriate. If so, then would not Safehold II, as originally intended, be logical. Maybe even several of them with set timeframes before uncovering technology.

After they are established, then start hunting the Gbaba.

That sounds very sensible.

Charybdis wrote:OK, assume a united Safehold with boot-strapped TF technology a couple generations after the CoGA war. What would be their first order of business in space?

I think that the axiom of 'once burned, twice shy' may be appropriate. If so, then would not Safehold II, as originally intended, be logical. Maybe even several of them with set timeframes before uncovering technology.

After they are established, then start hunting the Gbaba.

Buildup their economy in-system.
Do that 50 or so years of weapons research/technological advance

When they are just back out into space they won't have the money or technological resources to equip a proper Safehold II let alone several of them. It will take some time to build up the space industrial base to do so. The research needs to run in parallel with everything else ASAP just in case of nasty surprises. I suspect they will also need a fair few open and developed colonies with their star systems fully industrialised to have the kind of industrial and economic depth to build a fleet capable of going for the Gbaba. Till they have that, the last thing they want to do is go looking for them.

Randomiser wrote:

Charybdis wrote:OK, assume a united Safehold with boot-strapped TF technology a couple generations after the CoGA war. What would be their first order of business in space?

I think that the axiom of 'once burned, twice shy' may be appropriate. If so, then would not Safehold II, as originally intended, be logical. Maybe even several of them with set timeframes before uncovering technology.

After they are established, then start hunting the Gbaba.

Buildup their economy in-system.
Do that 50 or so years of weapons research/technological advance

When they are just back out into space they won't have the money or technological resources to equip a proper Safehold II let alone several of them. It will take some time to build up the space industrial base to do so. The research needs to run in parallel with everything else ASAP just in case of nasty surprises. I suspect they will also need a fair few open and developed colonies with their star systems fully industrialised to have the kind of industrial and economic depth to build a fleet capable of going for the Gbaba. Till they have that, the last thing they want to do is go looking for them.

While I did not specify your pre-conditions, I did assume them.

What I was making note of is what to do BEFORE going off after the Gbaba, ie. Safehold II. Actually, this is not original to me as I believe it was mentioned in passing by the ultimate fanfic author, RFC/MWW/DW his own self, in his epic short, "How Safehold Won't End!"

And I found it AGAIN! Such a fun read, it is!

“It’s looking even worse than we thought, Your Majesty,” she said, her tone more formal than it usually was, even in an official setting, when she spoke to the man she’d known since childhood. “Again, I strongly urge you to evacuate. There’s still time to get you away on one of the stealthed transports, and the Ark II colonies will need you.”