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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by HungryKing » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:50 am | |
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Eh, the scientist comes out to a mid to third quarter 18th century pd design, and the Vega to an early 19th century design, at the latest. The SLN's latest new vessels, around 1905 pd were downright modern. Probably equivalent to the RMN's Victory class, if I had to guess.
As for what is in the reserve we know the following: The SLN originally decided on DNs rather than SDs, for numeric and acceleration advantages, but later started to build SDs. They moved to majority SD construction, followed by a choice to use only SDs, which led to build only SDs, and having most of the DNs in the reserve being purged, with only the most recent ones being retained. As for the timing of these events, they probably occured in the 18th century. The 1720 appearance of the IDCM, marks a point where designs built previous would eventually need major rebuilding, due to the need to fit them with CM tubes, probably. The 1750ish evolution of grav lenses marks another such point. PDLCs started appearing around 1780 but were a gradual thing, maybe. It was implied that autocannons could not deal with laserhead's predecessor's mature form (which means PDLCs on everything post 1820 at the latest). As for the reserve, 2/3 with autocannon, but very few DNs remain. Given the SLN's refit and replacement rule of refitting the most out of date first, and of striking one of the oldest for each new ship, well it means that most of the reserve hasn't seen a yard for a century, or more. |
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by Weird Harold » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:59 am | |
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They may have changed the name and added a couple of missile tubes, but the SLN really only has different variants of a single class of SDs:
The SLN's basic design philosophy is "don't change what works." They consciously avoid any new designs that would make the rest of Battle Fleet (including the Reserve) obsolete. That means that the majority of their fleet is Scientist-class and everything newer is basically a shiny new Scientist with only incremental improvements. .
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by Brigade XO » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:48 pm | |
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There is always a danger of committing to a truly new weapon system design if you feel you just have to maintain full compatablilty with your legacy systems. The problem is that until you can prove the new design is actualy going to work- both as promised and be effective (which are not the same thing)- the tendecy is to hold onto the old stuff.
One way of actualy getting some use/value out of the old stuff that is even just "old and worn" or you don't want to maintain in your inventory so you can get the newer, "better" stuff, is to sell it off to others. Hence the internatioal (or interstellar) armes market...big smile |
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by munroburton » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:21 pm | |
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My guess is the Scientist class dates from around 1820, with the Vega "update" coming into service around 1900. Based on the Ad Astra DN's 1880 refit when they replaced autocannon with laser cluster for point defense and the Manticore SD at 6.5MT in 1742. The closest RMN design to the Scientist/Vega is probably the Gladiator DN. It's about the same mass, dates from roughly the middle of that era and skimped on missile launchers for a heavier energy battery. The Samothrace SDs are pretty close too, if slightly larger. The RMN produced only five waller classes from ~1590-1857. Then Roger III was crowned and started preparing for war with Haven. That's a pattern the SLN itself probably set. |
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by kzt » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:07 pm | |
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No, they mention it in the text. It was a 1700s design. |
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by lyonheart » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:21 am | |
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Hi HungryKing,
"Very interesting". Do you have textev? I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks, ahead of time. L
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by lyonheart » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:24 am | |
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Hi KZT,
Always good to see your posts. Do you have textev reference as well? Evidently I need to brush up on a couple of things. Thanks, L
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by lyonheart » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:02 am | |
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Hi MunroBurton,
If the peeps had only a couple hundred plus BB's means in the 1850's, then around 150+ more were built later, probably in part due to internal politics, which then could indeed be 'missile heavy' compared to most previous BB's, not just the PRHN. Wonder if that will be in the 'House of Lies' next spring? L
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Re: Solarian League Naval Strenght versus SLN Strength | |
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by Vince » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:58 am | |
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The only reference that I can find regarding the age of the SLN's Scientist and Vega classes is from:
Italics are the author's, boldface is my emphasis. Point defense using autocannon started to be replaced by PDLCs before the time the laser head missile came into use--the introduction of the laser head accelerated the process. Some information, including relevant systems and dates:
Boldface and underlined text is my emphasis. Conclusions about the age range of the Scientists and Vegas: The earliest SLN Scientist-class SDs predated the use of PDLCs and used autocannon point defense, while the later ones built (plus any later refitted and modernized) used PDLCs instead of autocannon. Since "the widespread introduction of numerous small point defense laser weapons" occurred (approximately) in 1781, the earlier builds of Scientists with autocannon point defense occurred before ~ 1781, with the later builds of Scientists starting on or after ~ 1781 used point defense laser clusters instead. SLN Ships undergoing refits and upgrades after 1781, and especially after 1872 when the laser head was successfully used, would have their autocannon point defense replaced by PDLCs. The Vega was a repeat of the Scientist, with some additional missile tubes. Most likely, the design entered production after the last of the Scientists ordered were starting construction. -------------------------------------------------------------
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