Poor Transtellars -what are they going to do?

SharkHunter wrote:Pure 'peanut gallery conjecture' here but...

I suspect that he smaller Transtellar(s) that aren't tightly wired into OFS and the Mandarin's are going to cut deals with GA aligned sectors and get back to a more "heavily inspected" business as usual model -- think OBS/Fearless but likely even more heavily inspected than that -- and with systems who have proven to have good governance. For example, Manticore will likely let the Maya Sector become a safe shipping route, then add the Madras sector once the House of Thomas on Meyers is stabilized and force supplemented.

Some of the Laccoon II wormholes might begin to reopen in systems like Idaho, Zunkers, etc. once a non-corrupt regime is in place, as that benefits systems friendly to Manticore as well. If I were in charge of the Honorverse/bless Haven project I would assume that a lot of supplemented but smaller Haven/GA warships will begin to be rolled out and tasked with commerce protection in those areas.

Meanwhile... the Transtellars headquartered on Mesa are pretty much sitting ducks and will get dismembered rather quickly. Final question being what happens with FF and OFS associated systems and whether the Verge systems start to clean up on their own as the GA economic clout takes hold... or they go for Warlordism and get the same treatments that Dumbass Damien and Yucel got in the previous books.

Thoughts?

DDHv wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:Pure 'peanut gallery conjecture' here but...

I suspect that he smaller Transtellar(s) that aren't tightly wired into OFS and the Mandarin's are going to cut deals with GA aligned sectors and get back to a more "heavily inspected" business as usual model -- think OBS/Fearless but likely even more heavily inspected than that -- and with systems who have proven to have good governance. For example, Manticore will likely let the Maya Sector become a safe shipping route, then add the Madras sector once the House of Thomas on Meyers is stabilized and force supplemented.

Some of the Laccoon II wormholes might begin to reopen in systems like Idaho, Zunkers, etc. once a non-corrupt regime is in place, as that benefits systems friendly to Manticore as well. If I were in charge of the Honorverse/bless Haven project I would assume that a lot of supplemented but smaller Haven/GA warships will begin to be rolled out and tasked with commerce protection in those areas.

Meanwhile... the Transtellars headquartered on Mesa are pretty much sitting ducks and will get dismembered rather quickly. Final question being what happens with FF and OFS associated systems and whether the Verge systems start to clean up on their own as the GA economic clout takes hold... or they go for Warlordism and get the same treatments that Dumbass Damien and Yucel got in the previous books.

Thoughts?

Over 50 years ago, Ludwig von Mises pointed out that in a free economy, successful business are working for their customers by doing good work at anticipating what they will want and producing and/or distributing those things. The customers are the bosses, voting by the money the spend.

In an un-free economy, the crony types prosper. So does the black (free) market in spite of the controls.

The Industrial revolution didn't start by mass producing for the rich, but by mass producing for the masses. The rich wanted silk, etc, not cotton.

Now, just what things would the common people be willing to pay for in the GA/SLN situation? Maybe some mercenaries could prosper the same way the Andermani started. Unless the SL was totally corrupt, there some transtellar might choose to go the Walmart route instead of the crony route.

What if said mercenaries and said transtellar(s) happened to get together and work in a place where problems are heavy

GabrialSagan wrote:Aye. But Edward E Baptist showed us using extensive quantitative analysis that an industry that utilizes torture and intimidation to incentivize slave laborers is more productive than the same industry that utilizes free labor and reward based motivation. As sick and disgusting as the Plantation System of the American South was, it produced crop yields that were double what free labors produced in the Post-war cotton industry until the advent of the automated cotton picker in the 1920s. https://www.amazon.com/Half-Has-Never-Been-Told/dp/046500296X
Though the 20th Century P.D is very different than the 3rd Century A.D. the fact that Transtellars use debt peonage and brutal exploitative tactics in their business practices shows that this principal sadly remains true even 2000 years after mankind has ventured to the stars.

GabrialSagan wrote:

DDHv wrote:
Over 50 years ago, Ludwig von Mises pointed out that in a free economy, successful business are working for their customers by doing good work at anticipating what they will want and producing and/or distributing those things. The customers are the bosses, voting by the money the spend.

In an un-free economy, the crony types prosper. So does the black (free) market in spite of the controls.

The Industrial revolution didn't start by mass producing for the rich, but by mass producing for the masses. The rich wanted silk, etc, not cotton.

Now, just what things would the common people be willing to pay for in the GA/SLN situation? Maybe some mercenaries could prosper the same way the Andermani started. Unless the SL was totally corrupt, there some transtellar might choose to go the Walmart route instead of the crony route.

What if said mercenaries and said transtellar(s) happened to get together and work in a place where problems are heavy

Aye. But Edward E Baptist showed us using extensive quantitative analysis that an industry that utilizes torture and intimidation to incentivize slave laborers is more productive than the same industry that utilizes free labor and reward based motivation. As sick and disgusting as the Plantation System of the American South was, it produced crop yields that were double what free labors produced in the Post-war cotton industry until the advent of the automated cotton picker in the 1920s. https://www.amazon.com/Half-Has-Never-Been-Told/dp/046500296X
Though the 20th Century P.D is very different than the 3rd Century A.D. the fact that Transtellars use debt peonage and brutal exploitative tactics in their business practices shows that this principal sadly remains true even 2000 years after mankind has ventured to the stars.

Weird Harold wrote:Every time I see this topic, I want to say, "the poor transtellars are going to be fine. They don't generally have entire planets in debt-peonage or sweetheart deals with OFS; those are the province of the RICH transtellars.

The poor transtellars are going to chug along, making ends meet any way they can.

The rich transtellars are the ones who are going to take a severe hit in their bottom line no matter how thing turn out for anyone else.

Weird Harold wrote:Every time I see this topic, I want to say, "the poor transtellars are going to be fine. They don't generally have entire planets in debt-peonage or sweetheart deals with OFS; those are the province of the RICH transtellars.

The poor transtellars are going to chug along, making ends meet any way they can.

The rich transtellars are the ones who are going to take a severe hit in their bottom line no matter how thing turn out for anyone else.

pnakasone wrote:I think it would be a very safe bet that some of the smaller transtellers had fair(ish) deals with some planets but where pushed off by a bigger one that is now doing the slash and burn exploitation routine with the planet. These ones will be very happy to see some of the big boys finally get destroyed after years of abuse of their position.