ATST Snippet #6 (I think)

Weird Harold wrote:

WeberFan wrote:What you say is very true. Called Constantly-Computed-Impact-Point (CCIP), the reticle or HUD continuously shows where the weapon will impact if you release it right....... NOW

What I was referring to in my post was "old-school" bombing instruction without any of those new-fangled computer thingies....

Even with CCIP a pilot needs to fly a fairly smooth bombing run to have any reasonable sort of accuracy. The more you jimk, the harder it is to get the reticle to settle down so you can aim with it.

I thought that you just fed in the info, realeased the sidewinder and gave it the job of finding the target...

If true, it doesn't sound very sporting...

Don

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n7axw wrote:I thought that you just fed in the info, realeased the sidewinder and gave it the job of finding the target...

Sidewinders are air-to-air missiles. CCIP is for dumb bombs.

Weird Harold wrote:

WeberFan wrote:What you say is very true. Called Constantly-Computed-Impact-Point (CCIP), the reticle or HUD continuously shows where the weapon will impact if you release it right....... NOW

What I was referring to in my post was "old-school" bombing instruction without any of those new-fangled computer thingies....

Even with CCIP a pilot needs to fly a fairly smooth bombing run to have any reasonable sort of accuracy. The more you jimk, the harder it is to get the reticle to settle down so you can aim with it.

After dropping the bouncing bombs that burst the Möhne and Eder dams during WW2, 617 Squadron became a high-accuracy bombing squadron using 6-ton and 10-ton bombs (one per aircraft) and something called SABS – the Stabilising Automatic Bomb Sight. It required the pilot to fly his aeroplane straight and level at maximum operating height for 10 miles while the bomb-aimer held the target in the bomb-sight reticule until the bomb was released. Instances of very high accuracy were achieved (it was used to hit the Tirpitz), and a fair number of the Squadron actually survived the war.
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Instances of very high accuracy were virtually routine.

And survival was aided by having the entire squadron - or more, there were several in 5 Group - flying in a ring with a 10-mile radius around the target. With 20-40 aircraft starting their runs to the target at the same time, the poor sods on the Flak didn't know who to shoot at

Peter2 wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:Even with CCIP a pilot needs to fly a fairly smooth bombing run to have any reasonable sort of accuracy. The more you jimk, the harder it is to get the reticle to settle down so you can aim with it.

After dropping the bouncing bombs that burst the Möhne and Eder dams during WW2, 617 Squadron became a high-accuracy bombing squadron using 6-ton and 10-ton bombs (one per aircraft) and something called SABS – the Stabilising Automatic Bomb Sight. It required the pilot to fly his aeroplane straight and level at maximum operating height for 10 miles while the bomb-aimer held the target in the bomb-sight reticule until the bomb was released. Instances of very high accuracy were achieved (it was used to hit the Tirpitz), and a fair number of the Squadron actually survived the war.
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Weird Harold wrote:

n7axw wrote:I thought that you just fed in the info, realeased the sidewinder and gave it the job of finding the target...

Sidewinders are air-to-air missiles. CCIP is for dumb bombs.

Isn't there a missile that is fed coordinates, fired from ships and goes and finds it's target?

Don

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n7axw wrote:

n7axw wrote:I thought that you just fed in the info, realeased the sidewinder and gave it the job of finding the target...

Weird Harold wrote:Sidewinders are air-to-air missiles. CCIP is for dumb bombs.

Isn't there a missile that is fed coordinates, fired from ships and goes and finds it's target?

Don
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You are probably thinking of the Tomahawk cruise missile. It can be fired from a multitude of platforms actually, not just ships.

n7axw wrote:

Weird Harold wrote: CCIP is for dumb bombs.

Isn't there a missile that is fed coordinates, fired from ships and goes and finds it's target?

Several, actually. As mentioned, the Tomahawk Cruise missile is the primary ship-to-surface missile of ships, but it or similar missiles can be launched from a variety of platforms -- bombers, or mobile truck/tank/ etc launchers.

There is also the JDAM GPS guidance package for iron bombs, laser guidance packages for iron bombs, Electro-optical guidance packages for iron bombs, and a couple of others I can't recall off-hand -- plus anything they've developed in the 27 years since I retired.

None of those have anything to do with CCIP or the older bombing methods Weberfan was talking about. Weberfan's older bombing methods -- or the dam-busters "forked stick" sighting method -- is more applicable to Safehold's level of aeronautics.

Just saw this snippet...

It seems like they finally have Clyntahn... but I wonder what he would think if he had to use this chamber pot.

As an exercise for the reader:

How many people died of burns in the Hidden berg disaster?

And of those, how many died by being burned by Hydrogen?

fallsfromtrees wrote:As an exercise for the reader:

How many people died of burns in the Hidden berg disaster?

And of those, how many died by being burned by Hydrogen?

36 passengers and crew of the Hindenburg died, and 1 groundsman. At least 9 of the crew died of hydrogen burns.