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by noblehunter » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:14 am | |
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How responsible is he for the events? His "assurances" of support may have helped kick off the revolutions and his weapons would have helped them be serious enough to need suppression by KEW. But I thought Manticore made his lies true before anyone died waiting for cavalry that wasn't coming.
He probably kept using the same code name to make sure the Sollies knew the revolts were all supported by the same guy. Considering the POV we have on Earth seem to be the only competent intel officers, they need all the help they can get. |
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by Rincewind » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:07 pm | |
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There is an old saying I remember that applies to Damien Harahap. It goes; 'The oppressed in one country can make the worst oppressors in another.' |
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by WeirdlyWired » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:25 pm | |
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"Yeah, using the same handle basically every place he worked was pretty damn stupid. Must've been an ego thing."
How much easier, though, for the OFS to trace everything back to the Manties if there is one contact name in common. After all how many beautiful blondes working for Manpower can there be. Helas,chou, Je m'en fache.
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by kzt » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:50 pm | |
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It's the same name he used when he worked for OFS against the manties... |
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by saber964 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:57 pm | |
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What the SLMC gets stuck with is the clean up if OFS and Gendarmie get there head handed to them in the initial stages of a uprising intervention. Look at what the MLF did in the first few hours of their own bid to overthrow Lombroso. IIRC there was a OFS intervention battalion that suffered 60% casualties in friendly fire incident by a SLMC battalion. Also IIRC most of the SLMC personnel come from protectorate and verge worlds so have little if any sympathy for OFS and the Gendarmie. Also remember the SLMC intelligence LTC in Daud group about how he was tasked to give deep background briefing to Marine units CO's before they got dropped into a hot LZ on some planet. The briefings probably included things like whose really on the take and how bad they've been screwing it up. |
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by Fireflair » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:05 pm | |
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The notion of Damien being a big role in the next book had occurred to me after all the face time he got in this one. I feel that this is a character we can could have had a lot less face time with, however. Just as there wasn't a need for all the different resistance groups to be fleshed out nearly so much. Damien could have had half or less time in the book but still have gotten his importance across while fleshing the character out. The extra space and word count could have gone to advancing the story. Say.. To the point of Beowulf's events?
We get a clear description of Damien and how smart he is. The man recognizes that his employers are impressive and powerful folk almost from the start, and his understanding of the organization just grows with each event he's a part of. I was struck more by the commentary from Damien's thoughts about the medical processes he went through. The implants and improved longevity of the anti-aging treatments were interesting. Healing nanites too? Seems like the super soldiers of the Alignment could be pretty well improved compared to normals. |
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by drothgery » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:38 pm | |
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I thought (though my memory could be failing) that was said out loud by one of the people doing the recruiting; it wasn't someone's thoughts. And, well, I have less than complete trust in the word of Alignment operatives for some reason. |
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by Somtaaw » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:36 pm | |
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Oh I agree that the SLMC isn't the primary jackboots put to Verge and Shell worlds necks. But if the Gendarmerie isn't enough alone the SLMC gets sent in to finish the job, so their hands are still dirty if not as much. Dirty is still dirty however. So, almost without a doubt, Thandi had done more than a few things she regrets, but she also knows that whatever terrible things she has done with the SLMC (prior to Torch) was still better than staying on her homeworld. And I pointed out the SLMC staff at SLN HQ with Daud in my quote, they give briefings but that's to try and protect the Marines from the dirty business they're about to drop into. And in my quote, Frontier Fleet supports the SLMC from the Navy side in those operations where they got tasked to handle things. Which is why I included Luis Rozsak in my post about "doing really dirty and bad things", and Rozsak was a rising star so if even he couldn't have avoided doing something like executing an entire settlement right down to the pets, Thandi (and others) had to do much worse. Who then take it out on the Gendarmerie whenever they can, like that action you mentioned with 60% Gendarm casualties due to "friendly fire". |
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by n7axw » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:50 pm | |
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I'm not nominating him for sainthood or suggesting that he shouldn't be held accountable. I'm merely pointing out that there is more than one way to be victimized which Damien and many others like him have been. In a way it's the classic catch 22 without a good way out. Don - When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by Brigade XO » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:49 pm | |
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I haven't read SOV yet and won't get to it till sometime in October....BUT, if the above mentioned "improvements" to Damien's body are "basic" upgrades for special assets and probably the tip of the iceberg for the Alignment variation on Marines, I can see GA Marines and anybody else that gets engaged with them making dam sure to perhaps use a bit of "overkill" when shooting at the MA. You want super-soldiers, we can start using tribarrels & plasma rifles and work up from there. "How many times did you say to shoot him in the head, Sarg?" |
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