How come Nesbit hasn't been rumbled?

There's no need for Nesbit to have been involved in the assassination in any way, beyond requesting it.



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Annachie wrote:There's no need for Nesbit to have been involved in the assassination in any way, beyond requesting it.



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Exactly so.

Don

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saber964 wrote:IIRC the two Nesbitts are cousins. They are

Lt Col. Jean-Claude Nesbitt head of security Department of State of Haven

Secretary Tony Nesbitt Secretary of Commerce

Somehow my weirdly wired brain blipped over the first names . Thanx for the clarification.

Relax wrote:Nesbit hasn't been "rumbled" because the books haven't progressed the timeline. Cats haven't even left for Haven yet...

Pritchart brought her SecState on her sojourn to Manticore. It's a 50-50 shot whether Leslie's security chief was along on the trip or remained home to mind the office.

However, Montreau was sent home almost immediately to sell the treaty with Manticore to Haven's congress. I can't remember if the treecats got involved before or after that.

munroburton wrote:

Relax wrote:Nesbit hasn't been "rumbled" because the books haven't progressed the timeline. Cats haven't even left for Haven yet...

Pritchart brought her SecState on her sojourn to Manticore. It's a 50-50 shot whether Leslie's security chief was along on the trip or remained home to mind the office.

However, Montreau was sent home almost immediately to sell the treaty with Manticore to Haven's congress. I can't remember if the treecats got involved before or after that.

They worked on the treaty for a week or so before sending it back. "They" includes both Honor and Nimitz.

I doubt if Nesbit came along.

n7axw wrote:
IIRC, the application of the nanotech in Tim Meare's case for the attempt on Honor involved inhaling some dust... which Nesbit could arrange without any knowledge of how it would work at all.

Don

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The assassination of Grosclaude, consisted of him eating a 'nearly microscopic capsule' hidden inside his yogurt. And then he went on a flier through the canyons before the nanites took over and sent him into the cliffs.

That's pretty easy to arrange, without even knowing a thing about what or how a simple, almost microscopic capsule would assassinate someone in a manner that's untraceable. Now if he wasn't actually knowingly working for the Mesan's, just what he thought was Manpower he certainly would be thinking furiously about things. And to the best of our knowledge, he hadn't stepped forward to SecState (yet), but that still leaves a lot of reasons of why and/or how he is connected.

What we actually know of Nesbitt's relationship (if any) to Mesa is almost the same as what we know about Mannerheim's dreadnought SDF fleet. Just enough to speculate wildly in every direction, but little to no hard evidence to back anything up, aren't debates just fun

fallsfromtrees wrote:

n7axw wrote:I am aware of the two Nesbits already mentioned, Tony and Jean Claude. Jean Claude is the agent/spy. There is no reason to believe that he is more than an asset the MAlign purchased with money. I suspect that being around treecats will eventually out him. I'm not surprised that Albrecht knew about him. Given that the new government managed an almost clean sweep of MAlign's assets on Haven as part its purge of SS, it shouldn't be surprising that Jean Claude's name would come up as one of the few assets the Malign has left on Haven.


Don

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Don,

The problem with that theory is that if he were just purchased, he would never have known about/been given access to the super secret nanotech assassination tool. It appears that knowledge of that tool was highly restricted, so to have had knowledge of it implies something deeper than just hired mercenary.

I have to agree with Falls From Trees, from everything thing we've read, the MA is using the nanotech assassination tool very sparingly. There was regret that they had used in New Potsdam for the attempted assassination of the Prince.

The MA is not handing out the nanotech assassination tool in "Cracker Jack Boxes". This tool would NOT be given out to the "Hired Help". This more than suggests that the "Nesbit Family" has some genetic ties to the MA. If that is true the entire family, should be a "star line" of the MA, and it should be just a matter of time before one of the Treecats gets their mental claws into one of the family, and "Rumbles Them".

Why this has not happened yet, only RFC knows for sure.

LTArmstrong wrote:from everything thing we've read, the MA is using the nanotech assassination tool very sparingly. There was regret that they had used in New Potsdam for the attempted assassination of the Prince.

The MA is not handing out the nanotech assassination tool in "Cracker Jack Boxes". This tool would NOT be given out to the "Hired Help".

I highly doubt there was even a single star line in that whole team. Mesa may have eventually had regrets about doing the New Potsdam asssassination, but they also didn't have regrets until recently either. They'd had initial doubts prior to it, but it was also their most visible 'test' and nobody had figured it out until Cachat and Zilwicki started ripping apart the onion and exposing them.

Which further means, that the "hired help" will be given the nanotech, but only just enough to complete whatever mission they were told to carry out. After all, remember that the nanotech has to be specifically tailored to the target (bio-engineering), and programmed so it's not something that can be done without a lab. It would take months to setup a nanotech, because first you have to acquire target DNA sample, bring it to Mesa (or an unknown lab somewhere else), grow and program the organic nanobots, send the finished weaponized nanotech back near the target and then expose it to the target.

When they tried to assassinate Honor via Lt. Meares, and because it was Manticore they almost certainly didn't have a star line that just happened to be there. It wasn't until the Haven Wars that Manticore even moved into Mesa's sightlines, it wasn't even a primary target when they originally snookered Haven into the DuQuesne Plan.

And star lines can't be as numerous as you think, that they could just slice off an "off the cuff" covert ops team that has at least one star line to send to Manticore. And because of how/where they exposed Tim Meares to their nano-assassination tool, namely the back of a taxi, it HAD to be a full team. They had to ensure Tim went to their cab, which means multiple people to slip into the cabs ahead of theirs, so Tim would go to the cab at the front of the line (theirs).

That means it can't have been a rush formed team, they were very smooth about guiding Tim right to their cab, and explaining it away, the "cab driver" didn't hesitate in first getting him in the face, and then proceeding to 'explain' it all away. Off hand, I would guess that team had between 4 and as many as 10 people:
-driver
-the "smoker" who gave the driver her cover
-the observer we read about, who watched the exposure and later departure of Tim aboard the shuttle
-any additional team members would have been taking the cabs ahead of Tim to ensure he takes theirs (can't really put a number here)


And a final thought, Detweiler may have had a twinge of regret for the New Potsdam incident but he also understands that "having a secret weapon and never using it, is pointless". They'll use it, when they have to, or when it aids their plans, and not more often. Which is why he didn't go ahead, and override his juniors objections and use it even more than he already has. We don't have an actual date for when Hofsculte was used to (attempt to) assassinate Prince Huang (estimated prior to 1918) , but between that incident and current (1922), we only know it's been used at least 6 times actively, plus the Hofschulte "test"

-Grosclaude
-Tim Meares
-unnamed merchant trying to nail Berry
-Havenite driver killing Webster
-Filareta's Ops admiral
-Rajampet's "suicide"

Noticing something here about the "traitor Nesbitt". We're assuming he's still out there ready to cause trouble, but their is no sign that he's still in position to do great harm -- in fact, Kevin Usher may have either disappeared him already, purged the entire Secretary of State's staff, which is equally likely, or is poised like a dragon to strike like the hammer Fist of Deity the moment anyone in the SecState or other cabinet office tries to make a poisonous move. Keep in mind that we haven't seen either of the Ushers lately -- though that might be because Eric Flint is no longer making Ginny fun for us -- but for now, let's assume that RFC knows what he has in mind, and let him entertain us in an upcoming book or set of stories.

SharkHunter wrote: but for now, let's assume that RFC knows what he has in mind, and let him entertain us in an upcoming book or set of stories.

I suspect a lot of bad people are going to live happily ever after when this series is done.