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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:21 pm

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One more thing, though this is just odd not necessarily an error. (And yes, I spent way too much time throwing the numbers from SoV through the ringer comparing them to the missile and ship numbers I'd compiled from previous books :D)


“Tracking’s just picked up a group hyper footprint. CIC makes it thirteen point sources. They’re almost directly astern of us at six-point-eight light-minutes and they brought about five hundred KPS over the wall with them.”
Given my understanding of how the velocity drops stack from the Effective Speed by Hyper Band table to carry about 500 KPS over the wall you'd have to start your drop to n-space from no higher than the Gamma bands - which seems unusually low for warships.

Specifically if you're cruising at their top speed, 0.6c (179,875 KPS) and drop from Gamma to Beta you lose 78% of your velocity, drop from Beta to Alpha and lose another 85%, drop from Alpha to n-space and lose a final 98% of your velocity. 179,875 * 0.08 * 0.15 * 0.22 = 474.8 KPS.


There's no particular reason Scotty's ship couldn't have been cruising in the Gamma bands (maybe there were rouge waves higher up). Alternatively they could have paused their descent in the Gamma or lower bands and built up enough velocity to drop into n-space with 500 KPS if that's what Scotty desired. But doing a continuous drop from no higher than the Gamma bands does seem a somewhat unusual choice.

If they'd dropped straight from the Theta bands their max velocity across the wall would have been a mere 3.7 KPS!. OTOH if they'd wanted to carry as much velocity as possible they'd have worked up to 0.6c in the Alpha bands and would have carried 14,390 KPS across the wall. Instead they opted to carry just over a third of that. <shrug>
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by caias   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:09 pm

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Several times it's mentioned that there is a Commodore in charge of the Rolands in Scotty's task group. Why does he get to be in charge? Is it just a courtesy-Commodore title to distinguish from the ships Captains?

One of the first RMN/SLN encounters involved the RMN sneaking in under stealth to "12 light minutes", which was inside missile range, but "at least 4 million km outside SLN range". I suspect that was supposed to be 12 million km, not 12 light minutes.
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by markm57   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:18 pm

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caias wrote:Several times it's mentioned that there is a Commodore in charge of the Rolands in Scotty's task group. Why does he get to be in charge? Is it just a courtesy-Commodore title to distinguish from the ships Captains?

One of the first RMN/SLN encounters involved the RMN sneaking in under stealth to "12 light minutes", which was inside missile range, but "at least 4 million km outside SLN range". I suspect that was supposed to be 12 million km, not 12 light minutes.



In some cases in the USNsenior captains sometime were called commodores to prevent their being confusion . Maybe it was a similar situation?
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by tlb   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:37 pm

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markm57 wrote:
caias wrote:Several times it's mentioned that there is a Commodore in charge of the Rolands in Scotty's task group. Why does he get to be in charge? Is it just a courtesy-Commodore title to distinguish from the ships Captains?

One of the first RMN/SLN encounters involved the RMN sneaking in under stealth to "12 light minutes", which was inside missile range, but "at least 4 million km outside SLN range". I suspect that was supposed to be 12 million km, not 12 light minutes.



In some cases in the USNsenior captains sometime were called commodores to prevent their being confusion . Maybe it was a similar situation?

I am not Navy, but am pretty sure that it is a command title (not exactly a rank) that indicates the person in charge of a group of ships - provided that the person is below the rank of admiral.
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by feyhunde   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:39 pm

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Ok this one didn't bother me until I was on the train this morning.

Włocławek has a hyper bridge, is in theory independent, but wasn't hit until after Lacoon has already grabbed a bunch of other systems that seem further transit distance away.

Seems like the terminus at least should of been hit in the initial grabs.
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:46 pm

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feyhunde wrote:Ok this one didn't bother me until I was on the train this morning.

Włocławek has a hyper bridge, is in theory independent, but wasn't hit until after Lacoon has already grabbed a bunch of other systems that seem further transit distance away.

Seems like the terminus at least should of been hit in the initial grabs.

I had that same thought. Surpring there wasn't at least a mention of why it hadn't been grabbed yet.

I can think of several plausible reasons; but the absence of any explanation jumped out at me.
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by Henry Brown   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:13 pm

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What about the declaration of war? It is mentioned by a small RMN navy task force, in an almost off-hand fashion, during SoV that the grand alliance has formally declared war on the SL. WHAT? We had numerous scenes in ART involving the key players of the alliance (Elizabeth, Eloise, White Haven, Theisman, Bengamin ect...) As far as I can remember, not once was the issue of formally declaring war on the SL raised in any of those scenes. Even the ones after defeating Filerata's attack. Yet if I am understanding the timeline and comlag correctly, wouldn't they have needed to declare war fairly quickly after Filerta's attack on Manticore in order for news of the war declaration to reach the naval units in question?
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by saber964   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:44 pm

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feyhunde wrote:Decided to make a clean thread for this to make it easy to read. This thread is intended to collect errors and mistakes in the e-Arc folks notice.

Two I've found so far:

Green Valley is suddenly used in place of Green Pines for Gamma Center.

The Hoplite is referred to several times as the HMS Hoplite, despite being a Solly Ship.



Hate to tell you but Hoplite isn't exactly a uncommon name for a ship. Prince Eugene was the name of a ship in three different navies at the same time TTRC Italy Germany and Austria-Hungary. Also look up USS Intrepid and HMS Intrepid one was a carrier and one was a destroyer. There was also a USS and HMS Enterprise
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:08 pm

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saber964 wrote:
feyhunde wrote:
The Hoplite is referred to several times as the HMS Hoplite, despite being a Solly Ship.



Hate to tell you but Hoplite isn't exactly a uncommon name for a ship. Prince Eugene was the name of a ship in three different navies at the same time TTRC Italy Germany and Austria-Hungary. Also look up USS Intrepid and HMS Intrepid one was a carrier and one was a destroyer. There was also a USS and HMS Enterprise
The surrounding text makes it clear we're not talking about two different navies' ships that just both happen to be called Hoplite; in SoV there's only one Hoplite, a Frontier Force ship of the Solarian League Navy. So her proper prefix and name should be "SLNS Hoplite"; as it would be for any SLN ship. Reading through SoV I'd also noticed a few times SLN ships were mis-tagged as "HMS" (not just Hoplite)


Hoplite is correctly tagged as "SLNS Hoplite" in the quote just before chapter 34. But that same ship is incorrectly tagged "HMS Hoplite" in ch 34. Also, the "SLNS Jean Bart" is incorrectly tagged in the following quote from chapter 27 "the slaughter of Commodore Chatterjee’s people had been avenged by the destruction of HMS Jean Bart" And the SLN battlecruiser Triumphant is mis-tagged as "HMS Triumphant" in chapter 72.

Simple mistakes, and a copy editor is likely to catch that kind of thing. But it can throw you off for a moment.
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Re: SoV eARC errors edits and spoilers
Post by ChronicRder   » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:51 pm

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How much changes between an eARC and the finished product? Does the finish product only have some polishing or will there be more story?
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