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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Peter2   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:09 am

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ErikM wrote:A nice read.

It will be very interesting to see the Dohlaran and South Harchongese reactions when the charisians' steel battleships arrive and start sinking everything afloat. I agree that they will try to reroute traffic through the canals but also that that will largely be a bust.

It looks like western Siddarmark and the Border States are slated to become an enormous war zone, with conditions resembling the WWI western or eastern fronts depending on how far away large towns, cities and canals are. Nasty indeed.

The balloons sound a lot like US civil war era observation balloons. They'll undoubtedly set off a lot of people's 'This Is Magic/Demonic' triggers but flexible commanders on both sides will quickly see their use as mobile observation posts and even signal towers.


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One other point – the EoC's command of the seas might allow them to open a second front which is a lot closer to Zion and has a lot fewer hostile troops in the way. They can build up a sizeable staging post on a convenient island. They then have two choices. Keep it quiet and actually invade, or let Clyntahn know about the development and watch him drag whole blocs of his armies – both men and matériel – to defend the crucial areas of the Temple Lands.

That might be fun to watch. If South Harchong is effectively cut off from the presently active main battle zones (as has been said), it might mean that Clyntahn would have considerable difficulty moving significant numbers of the armies in Western Siddermark etc. back again. And with those armies diverted, BGV is likely to find it a lot easier to go through Rainbow Waters' reduced forces.

In either case, I would enjoy the mental picture of Clyntahn metaphorically (or literally!) chewing the carpet over it. :) :) :)

On balance, I suspect the threat might be more effective than the actual deed.
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Kakai   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:29 am

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Thank you for the snippet, RFC!

Balloons?! Well, that was unexpected... Awesome!
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by jgnfld   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:35 am

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Small typo: "the the" in paragraph 3.
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:44 am

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Not just balloons, I think. They used the term "gas cells"; generally it is used only in context with rigid airships.

Of course I may be mistaken, but it seems that doctor Karl Lanz and professor Johann Schütte finally won this round)
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by 6L6   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:54 am

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Yes that sounds like blimps to me. What type of motors do you think the will have?
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:57 am

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6L6 wrote:Yes that sounds like blimps to me. What type of motors do you think the will have?


Well, they clearly could produce compact&light steam engines with flash boilers. After all, the engines, suitable for lighter-than-air aircrafts were created as early as in 1850s - the Stringfellow engine, for example:

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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Joat42   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:14 am

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Dilandu wrote:Not just balloons, I think. They used the term "gas cells"; generally it is used only in context with rigid airships.

Of course I may be mistaken, but it seems that doctor Karl Lanz and professor Johann Schütte finally won this round)

True, and this sentence kind of confirms it:
“Generating the gas will be easier for the Navy, and hauling around multi-ton lots of hydrochloric acid and zinc will present the Army with some significant safety hazards. On the other hand, they’ll be able to haul a lot more of both than a ship at sea can cram into its available volume.”

That suggests that if they are building airships they are going to be quite large if they are able to haul around more cargo than a ship. Unless I misinterpreted the reference and they just talk about hauling the acid and zink around on wagons/barges.

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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Dilandu   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:21 am

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Joat42 wrote:That suggests that if they are building airships they are going to be quite large if they are able to haul around more cargo than a ship. Unless I misinterpreted the reference and they just talk about hauling the acid and zink around on wagons/barges.


Frankly, I think that they are talking about the advantages/disadvantages of using airships for army and navy.
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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Joat42   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:24 am

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Dilandu wrote:
Joat42 wrote:That suggests that if they are building airships they are going to be quite large if they are able to haul around more cargo than a ship. Unless I misinterpreted the reference and they just talk about hauling the acid and zink around on wagons/barges.


Frankly, I think that they are talking about the advantages/disadvantages of using airships for army and navy.

No, they specifically say "haul a lot more of both" in reference to the acid & zink.

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Re: ATST snippet #5
Post by Duckk   » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:25 am

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Joat42 wrote:That suggests that if they are building airships they are going to be quite large if they are able to haul around more cargo than a ship. Unless I misinterpreted the reference and they just talk about hauling the acid and zink around on wagons/barges.


Contextually, it sounds like they're talking about hauling around the hydrogen gas generating equipment and materials, not having the airships lift cargo.
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