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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by DMcCunney   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:25 pm

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Louis R wrote:While technically true, simple kinematics shows that the rocks would have to be _very_ big. I ran the numbers a while back [and posted them, IIRC], the last time this came up. A typical de-orbit velocity gives you a KE of ~12.5 MJ/kg. IOW, you need a 1000 tonne rock to get a kiloton yield. A rock that big has to be very precisely shaped and of very uniform composition to be of any value as a precision weapon. Otherwise ablation and tumbling leave you with a CEP in the km range, unless you're shooting straight down - which you can't do by just de-orbiting the rock - in which case it drops to [as a WAG] a few tens of meters.

If the OBS is being used for the intended purpose, how much precision does it need?

If Clyntahn got control of the OBS, for example, he'd be happy to take out Tellesberg and everything for several hundred miles around it, and would have no problem with saturation bombing to do it.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by phillies   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:57 pm

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I would suspect...no.

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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by n7axw   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:39 pm

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If the control station is in the basement of the Temple --and what Father Paityr said when he was brought into the inner circle seems to open the way for that as a possibility-- it would seem that none of the Temple's occupants are aware of its presence.

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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by Louis R   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:22 pm

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Enough to destroy a convent with a single shot :)

DMcCunney wrote:
Louis R wrote:While technically true, simple kinematics shows that the rocks would have to be _very_ big. I ran the numbers a while back [and posted them, IIRC], the last time this came up. A typical de-orbit velocity gives you a KE of ~12.5 MJ/kg. IOW, you need a 1000 tonne rock to get a kiloton yield. A rock that big has to be very precisely shaped and of very uniform composition to be of any value as a precision weapon. Otherwise ablation and tumbling leave you with a CEP in the km range, unless you're shooting straight down - which you can't do by just de-orbiting the rock - in which case it drops to [as a WAG] a few tens of meters.

If the OBS is being used for the intended purpose, how much precision does it need?

If Clyntahn got control of the OBS, for example, he'd be happy to take out Tellesberg and everything for several hundred miles around it, and would have no problem with saturation bombing to do it.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by DMcCunney   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:42 pm

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n7axw wrote:If the control station is in the basement of the Temple --and what Father Paityr said when he was brought into the inner circle seems to open the way for that as a possibility-- it would seem that none of the Temple's occupants are aware of its presence.

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We certainly hope they aren't. Father Paityr is aware of it because it was revealed to his family in the Vision of Schueler displayed by the Key, and there's no indication thus far Schueler told anyone else about it.

After the departure of the remaining lesser Angels, the Archangels certainly wouldn't want that sort of thing lying around where standard memory-wiped colonists would stumble across it.

I suspect there's more to learn about Schueler, and precisely why he chose to give that information to the Wylsyn family before he left.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by DMcCunney   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:49 pm

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Louis R wrote:
DMcCunney wrote:If the OBS is being used for the intended purpose, how much precision does it need?

If Clyntahn got control of the OBS, for example, he'd be happy to take out Tellesberg and everything for several hundred miles around it, and would have no problem with saturation bombing to do it.
Enough to destroy a convent with a single shot :)

:lol: True.

But it brings up another question. Elsewhere, RFC asked "What made you think the OBS can't reload?"

I don't see any reason it can't, but where does it get the ammo?

Grabbing random space junk with tractor beams is one thing. The sort of specially produced projectiles you suggest are a different matter.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:56 pm

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DMcCunney wrote:
Louis R wrote:Enough to destroy a convent with a single shot :)

:lol: True.

But it brings up another question. Elsewhere, RFC asked "What made you think the OBS can't reload?"

I don't see any reason it can't, but where does it get the ammo?

Grabbing random space junk with tractor beams is one thing. The sort of specially produced projectiles you suggest are a different matter.
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I don't recall RFC specifying the OBS can reload without assistance from other systems. Which begs the question of other automated systems up and running. Well, shut down but may be initiated.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by Weird Harold   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:32 am

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DMcCunney wrote:I don't see any reason it can't, but where does it get the ammo?

Grabbing random space junk with tractor beams is one thing. The sort of specially produced projectiles you suggest are a different matter.


OWL can take raw materials and build a PICA. All the OBS needs is raw material to build KEWs. All it really needs is a small heat shield of stronger materials and a lot of aerodynamically shaped mass. Even random space junk should provide enough of the stronger materials needed for the heat shield plus enough "rock" or other material to cast into the aerodynamic shaped mass behind the heat shield.
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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by Joat42   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:33 am

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Louis R wrote:Enough to destroy a convent with a single shot :)

DMcCunney wrote::lol: True.

The original OBS apparently took out half a continent where Alexandria was located. It took several hits though, but still...
DMcCunney wrote:But it brings up another question. Elsewhere, RFC asked "What made you think the OBS can't reload?"

I don't see any reason it can't, but where does it get the ammo?

Grabbing random space junk with tractor beams is one thing. The sort of specially produced projectiles you suggest are a different matter.
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PeterZ wrote:I don't recall RFC specifying the OBS can reload without assistance from other systems. Which begs the question of other automated systems up and running. Well, shut down but may be initiated.

The OBS has a maintenance & repair system which is probably used to reload it.

And the OBS can't just drop rocks (as someone said), if it's in geostationary orbit they need to be accelerated into the right heading for them to fall into the planets gravity well.

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Re: Another out of sequence snippet
Post by Louis R   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:12 am

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From the description Merlin gives us, it was a _lot_ of hits, not just several. IIRC, he saw overlapping craters, and OWL estimated that there had been 3 waves of impacts. Unfortunately, there's no size range for the craters, so we can't estimate impact energy.

Joat42 wrote:The original OBS apparently took out half a continent where Alexandria was located. It took several hits though, but still...
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