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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by Eagleeye   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:56 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
Lord Skimper wrote:So, How big is the Graser Torpedo?


Bigger than a breadbox, smaller than a Battleship.


That's not really helpful, Harold ... especially because we have at least some hints im MoH, regarding the MAlin Graser-Torps (GT):
MoH, Chapter 28 wrote:The first wave of each attack consisted of a weapon which was as much a fundamental breakthrough, in its own way, as the Manticoran introduction of the multidrive missile: a graser torpedo which used its own variant of the spider drive. It was a large and cumbersome weapon, with the same trilateral symmetry as the Shark-class ships which had launched it, and for the same reasons.

The torpedo's size made fitting it into magazines and actually firing it awkward, to say the least, and the Sharks had never been intended to deploy it operationally. For that matter, the Sharks themselves had never been supposed to be deployed "operationally." The Leonard Detweiler class, which had been intended to carry out this operation, had been designed with magazines and launch tubes which would make it possible to stow and fire torpedoes internally, but none of the Detweilers were even close to completion, and it had required the development of an ingenious external rack system to allow the Sharks to use it for Oyster Bay.
(HC, 1.ed., page 369) - (bold marks are mine)

The sharks, on the other hand, are descripted (even if I don't find the textev at the moment) as in the BC-range (that is around a Million tons) - and they are too small to storage Graser Torps in any useful numbers internally ... So I think a GT needs around half of the volume of a dispatch boat (with a corresponding mass). Make it around 5,000 tons in mass penalty for one GT, at least as produced by the MAlign.
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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by Weird Harold   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:02 am

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Eagleeye wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:quote="Lord Skimper"]So, How big is the Graser Torpedo?[/quote

Bigger than a breadbox, smaller than a Battleship.[/quote]

That's not really helpful, Harold ... especially because we have at least some hints im MoH, regarding the MAlin Graser-Torps (GT):[/quote]


That was a reply to Skimpy. It is as useful to him as any of the other more rational posts that preceded it. Or as useful as yours will be to him. :(
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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by munroburton   » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:24 am

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Eagleeye wrote:The sharks, on the other hand, are descripted (even if I don't find the textev at the moment) as in the BC-range (that is around a Million tons) - and they are too small to storage Graser Torps in any useful numbers internally ... So I think a GT needs around half of the volume of a dispatch boat (with a corresponding mass). Make it around 5,000 tons in mass penalty for one GT, at least as produced by the MAlign.


The Sharks are ~4 million tons. That'd make them large battleships, though of course that label doesn't apply.

I wouldn't compare them to a dispatch boat, though but to the Shrike LAC. Delete the missiles, crewspaces, defenses, make the graser smaller and the number only goes down from 21,000 tons.
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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by SCC   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:33 am

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munroburton wrote:
Eagleeye wrote:The sharks, on the other hand, are descripted (even if I don't find the textev at the moment) as in the BC-range (that is around a Million tons) - and they are too small to storage Graser Torps in any useful numbers internally ... So I think a GT needs around half of the volume of a dispatch boat (with a corresponding mass). Make it around 5,000 tons in mass penalty for one GT, at least as produced by the MAlign.


The Sharks are ~4 million tons. That'd make them large battleships, though of course that label doesn't apply.

I wouldn't compare them to a dispatch boat, though but to the Shrike LAC. Delete the missiles, crewspaces, defenses, make the graser smaller and the number only goes down from 21,000 tons.


That would actually put them in classic Dreadnought tonnage ranges
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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by munroburton   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:14 am

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SCC wrote:That would actually put them in classic Dreadnought tonnage ranges


Centuries ago, perhaps. More recently, Haven's last BB class massed 4.5 million tons.
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Re: How big is a Graser Torpedo?
Post by Vince   » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:52 am

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munroburton wrote:
SCC wrote:That would actually put them in classic Dreadnought tonnage ranges


Centuries ago, perhaps. More recently, Haven's last BB class massed 4.5 million tons.

You are both right, if by 'classic' you mean older designs.
House of Steel wrote:Ad Astra-class dreadnought (1878 refit)
Mass: 3,895,500 tons
Dimensions: 1064 × 154 × 144 m
Acceleration: 450.8 G (4.421 kps²)
80% Accel: 360.7 G (3.537 kps²)
Broadside: 18M, 14L, 12G, 6ET, 8CM, 18PD
Chase: 4M, 6L, 2G, 2CM, 8PD
Number Built: 11
Service Life: 1632–1913

Royal Winton-class dreadnought
Mass: 5,814,750 tons
Dimensions: 1216 × 176 × 164 m
Acceleration: 431.9 G (4.235 kps²)
80% Accel: 345.5 G (3.388 kps²)
Broadside: 20M, 18L, 16G, 6ET, 12CM, 28PD
Chase: 6M, 6L, 2G, 4CM, 10PD
Number Built: 21
Service Life: 1846–1916

Gladiator-class dreadnought
Mass: 6,846,000 tons
Dimensions: 1284 × 186 × 173 m
Acceleration: 421.5 G (4.134 kps²)
80% Accel: 337.2 G (3.307 kps²)
Broadside: 22M, 18L, 24G, 1GL, 8ET, 18CM, 26PD
Chase: 6M, 4L, 6G, 6CM, 10PD
Number Built: 34
Service Life: 1868–1920

Majestic-class dreadnought
Mass: 6,750,500 tons
Dimensions: 1278 × 185 × 173 m
Acceleration: 422.5 G (4.143 kps²)
80% Accel: 338 G (3.315 kps²)
Broadside: 28M, 18L, 20G, 24CM, 24PD
Chase: 8M, 6L, 4G, 8CM, 8PD
Number Built: 40
Service Life: 1896–1918 PD

Bellerophon-class dreadnought
Mass: 6,985,250 tons
Dimensions: 1293 × 187 × 175 m
Acceleration: 420.1 G (4.12 kps²)
80% Accel: 336.1 G (3.296 kps²)
Broadside: 33M, 15L, 18G, 24CM, 24PD
Chase: 7M, 2L, 3G, 8CM, 8PD
Number Built: 38
Service Life: 1900–1921

Nouveau Paris-class dreadnought*
Mass: 6,331,500 tons
Dimensions: 1251 × 181 × 169 m
Acceleration: 426.7 G (4.184 kps²)
80% Accel: 341.3 G (3.347 kps²)
Broadside: 32M, 10L, 10G, 18CM, 20PD
Chase: 8M, 4L, 4G, 10CM, 10PD
Number in Service: 5
Service Life: 1905–1917
Italics are the authors', boldface is my emphasis.

Note the jump in mass from the Ad Astra-class dreadnought design to the follow on Royal Winton-class dreadnought design. Also note the time gap between the two designs (214 years). The Royal Winton-class dreadnought was the RMN's first modern dreadnought design (under King Roger III's buildup).

* The Nouveau Paris-class dreadnought represent units captured from the PRN at First Hancock (The Short Victorious War), not RMN designs.
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