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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Joat42   » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:28 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
Joat42 wrote:See this post.


And?

The text evidence definitely refers to several kinetic bombardment platforms as well as solar energy platforms and defensive satellites.

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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:39 pm

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Joat42 wrote:The text evidence definitely refers to several kinetic bombardment platforms as well as solar energy platforms and defensive satellites.
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Several platforms. But nothing about their distribution in local space.

The text clearly stated that Rakurai platforms are located inside the sphere of defense sattelites. Not sphereS, but single sphere. I.e. they aren't disperced around the planet. I really doubt that Owl could just use wrong words by accident.
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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Joat42   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:37 am

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Dilandu wrote:
Joat42 wrote:The text evidence definitely refers to several kinetic bombardment platforms as well as solar energy platforms and defensive satellites.

Several platforms. But nothing about their distribution in local space.

The text clearly stated that Rakurai platforms are located inside the sphere of defense sattelites. Not sphereS, but single sphere. I.e. they aren't disperced around the planet. I really doubt that Owl could just use wrong words by accident.

Well, that just mean that it can only cover one side of the planet at a time. So you could theoretically use electricity and high tech gadgets to your hearts content if you are below the horizon from the platform.

That also means that it can't fire effectively or at all at oblique angles, ie. targets near the horizon means a very very long slog through atmosphere for the missile.

The system as described is ineffective if all the OBS platforms are huddled inside a sphere of defensive platforms.

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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:07 am

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Joat42 wrote:
Dilandu wrote:Several platforms. But nothing about their distribution in local space.

The text clearly stated that Rakurai platforms are located inside the sphere of defense sattelites. Not sphereS, but single sphere. I.e. they aren't disperced around the planet. I really doubt that Owl could just use wrong words by accident.

Well, that just mean that it can only cover one side of the planet at a time. So you could theoretically use electricity and high tech gadgets to your hearts content if you are below the horizon from the platform.

That also means that it can't fire effectively or at all at oblique angles, ie. targets near the horizon means a very very long slog through atmosphere for the missile.

The system as described is ineffective if all the OBS platforms are huddled inside a sphere of defensive platforms.

Only if you are talking Geosynchronous orbits. A non Geosynchronous polar orbit will cover all of the planet within a fairly short time (depending on how high is the orbit), and there is no texted (to my knowledge) indicating that the OBS has to have immediate response, since it is likely to be used against stationary targets.
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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by jgnfld   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:16 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:...
Only if you are talking Geosynchronous orbits. A non Geosynchronous polar orbit will cover all of the planet within a fairly short time (depending on how high is the orbit), and there is no texted (to my knowledge) indicating that the OBS has to have immediate response, since it is likely to be used against stationary targets.


I'm a bit confused by the idea of some sort of localized sphere of platforms which would necessarily be very many kilometers in diameter. Any such sphere of platforms would have to be at varying distances from the planet and as such will disperse in short order without some sort of constant, active repositioning. Therefore, I took sphere as a spherical space around the planet.

Around Earth, for example, 2 objects in a circular orbit 1000 km and 1100 km from the surface have orbits that are a bit over 2 minutes different. Even being just 10 km different in altitude leads to needing to correct about 15 seconds per orbit. Basically, a localized sphere is a not very good idea for a long term orbital grouping.
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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Joat42   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:55 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
Dilandu wrote:Several platforms. But nothing about their distribution in local space.

The text clearly stated that Rakurai platforms are located inside the sphere of defense sattelites. Not sphereS, but single sphere. I.e. they aren't disperced around the planet. I really doubt that Owl could just use wrong words by accident.
Joat42 wrote:Well, that just mean that it can only cover one side of the planet at a time. So you could theoretically use electricity and high tech gadgets to your hearts content if you are below the horizon from the platform.

That also means that it can't fire effectively or at all at oblique angles, ie. targets near the horizon means a very very long slog through atmosphere for the missile.

The system as described is ineffective if all the OBS platforms are huddled inside a sphere of defensive platforms.

Only if you are talking Geosynchronous orbits. A non Geosynchronous polar orbit will cover all of the planet within a fairly short time (depending on how high is the orbit), and there is no texted (to my knowledge) indicating that the OBS has to have immediate response, since it is likely to be used against stationary targets.

So, a moving target will preclude the OBS from firing then? Another strike on it's effectiveness.

And if it's not in a geosynchronous orbit its immediate coverage shrinks.

The only conclusion I can draw from the textev is that OBS is very badly designed. It should be easy to take out with the resources Merlin has at hand even though OWL says in OAR it's not possible. Since it's solar powered, why not just use bunch of high speed sand casters on the panels? Casters are very easy and cheap to manufacture. I can't see how laser-defenses are going to be able to shoot down grains of sand. Just keep lobbing casters in retrograde orbit compared to the array until it runs out of energy.

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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Duckk   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:11 am

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It's not just solar powered. It does have a fusion plant.
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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Duckk   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:15 am

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Also, the last time people suggested just throwing rocks at it:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6161&p=158146
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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Joat42   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:24 am

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Duckk wrote:It's not just solar powered. It does have a fusion plant.

Is it? I must have missed any text saying that it's fusion powered.

But that leads to another question: how is it refueled?

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Re: Possible way to take out the OBS
Post by Weird Harold   » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:27 am

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Joat42 wrote:But that leads to another question: how is it refueled?


It sucks up all the sand that people have sent in retrograde orbits at it over the years? :lol:
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