Shadow of Victory missing from the monthly bundle

LTArmstrong wrote:

blackjack217 wrote:I consider the fact that RFC was on the forum today to be a good thing. If he was late, I expect he wouldn't have stopped by even briefly

For your information. RFC was not on the forum to date. his last post was Saturday the 20th. Check your facts.

And 10 minutes later he was on the forums.

LTArmstrong wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
That was rude;-) Didn't finish the post. Hopped to Bean even though I had just visited the site to check.

Grumble, grumble....

O

OK I said this last week, and now I will say it again: "HEY BAEN, COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR CUSTOMERS". Do not just leave the people out here twisting in the wind, tell us when you expect to be able to release the book.

Be conservative in your estimate, people will understand that the book is delayed. But for gods sake, talk to us. If you release before you say you plan to, you will gather in some good will. But pulling this nonsense, where you just go silent, is just pissing off the people that keep your doors open.

TALK TO US BAEN, TELL US WHEN WE CAN REALISTICALLY EXPECT THE BOOK!!!!

Look, Baen cannot send you a manuscript which I have not sent them.

They gave the original delivery date based on the expected date at which they would receive the manuscript. Because of family and other real life issues, I was late delivering it. I have been working roughly 14-hour days for the last two weeks to get it delivered in time for an October release date, which mans that Baen now has approximately 6 weeks to put the entire book through production. The delay is not their fault and they have given you the best information they had as to when they would be able to deliver it.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with me, not with them, because the delay is not their fault.

LTArmstrong wrote:If for some reason that contract cannot be fulfilled, on/or before the designated delivery date, If a reasonable explanation is given, I being a reasonable human being, will give some leeway. But I expect some sort of explanation (which I believe we have been given by Mr. Weber), and I expect to be given a new expected delivery date (which Baen has FAILED to give).

God i love this ... entitlement crap.
No they havent failed to give anything. Check the store page.

Shadow of Victory
This book is delayed until further notice
**Ebook coming soon.**

I dont know how they advertised it when you bought it, but
just stop this crap.
If you have a problem with Baens advertisement, take it up with them and get a refund if you feel like it, but bitch about it on the private site of the author.

Especially since the author himself was kind enough to explain what happened. twice

Yes the delay sucks. We all want SoV asap. But this is life, stuff happens. And guess what?
In two weeks nobody will care about the delay anyway.

drinksmuchcoffee wrote:
Baen and RFC are trying to do something cool for all of us fans by making their titles available early to us. We should be thankful for that, as they certainly are under no obligation to do that.

Yip. That and nothing else.

A book is a unique piece of art, and just like all art you can't produce it on schedule like a pizza.

It's done when it's done and not one second earlier. eARCs are baen's unique way of giving fans access to the book as close to this final moment as possible, and complaining that it doesn't stick to a schedule is ridiculous, because if it could be produced to a schedule it wouldn't be art anymore. If you'd like neat release dates you should wait for the official release date.

That's why you never ever try to please all of the people all of the time because some of the people all of the time will always be unpleasable most of the time and some time when most of the people are unpleased, there's always one person, most of the time, who's pleased. Like I!

We all know that the author has been slacking. What, there's 24 hrs. in a day? He only worked 14 of those hours??? That leaves 8 hrs. for sleep! Still leaving a whole 2 hrs. in the day. 1 hr. to SAS(Schit shave and shower). Leaving one hour to eat. Hmm, where's his Sharon time come from? Okay 6 hrs. to sleep. Hmm, where does his talking on the phone to various people for this book come from? Hmm, okay 4 hrs. to sleep. Hmm, where does his last minute thoughts about epiphanies come from? Ok, two hrs. to nap. That still leaves plenty of time to slack off! Wonder the guy isn't divorced and looney by now. Yet we still complain. Well, if your pressure on the author leads him to be agitated, irritated and outright annoyed from a lack of sleep and one of your favorite characters is snuffed out, then blame it on yourself. I hear a lack of sleep can cause temporary insanity. Honest.

IOW, IC the bright side. The book is coming this year. And I am thankful.

Be thankful - at least some of the time.

runsforcelery wrote:


Look, Baen cannot send you a manuscript which I have not sent them.

They gave the original delivery date based on the expected date at which they would receive the manuscript. Because of family and other real life issues, I was late delivering it. I have been working roughly 14-hour days for the last two weeks to get it delivered in time for an October release date, which mans that Baen now has approximately 6 weeks to put the entire book through production. The delay is not their fault and they have given you the best information they had as to when they would be able to deliver it.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with me, not with them, because the delay is not their fault.

Well, for what it's worth, the first snippet looks right (except for the Dennis/Damien mistake that someone else caught earlier).

fallsfromtrees wrote:

LTArmstrong wrote:For your information. RFC was not on the forum to date. his last post was Saturday the 20th. Check your facts.

And 10 minutes later he was on the forums.

I was actually going off of the last visited portion of his profile, rather than actual posts. Obviously its been overwritten by now, but at the time it did show him having visited the forum earlier even if he didn't post anything.

David. Please take all the time nessisary to write the best work possible. Also FAMILY is the most important, take dcare of them FIRST before writing, we can wait. Yes we want it yesterday but we can wait (especially on a prolific authour who puts out 3 plus books a year, seriously guys how many authors can you name that only put out 1 or less per year)

runsforcelery wrote:That was rude;-) Didn't finish the post. Hopped to Bean even though I had just visited the site to check.

Grumble, grumble....

O

OK I said this last week, and now I will say it again: "HEY BAEN, COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR CUSTOMERS". Do not just leave the people out here twisting in the wind, tell us when you expect to be able to release the book.

Be conservative in your estimate, people will understand that the book is delayed. But for gods sake, talk to us. If you release before you say you plan to, you will gather in some good will. But pulling this nonsense, where you just go silent, is just pissing off the people that keep your doors open.

TALK TO US BAEN, TELL US WHEN WE CAN REALISTICALLY EXPECT THE BOOK!!!![/quote]

Look, Baen cannot send you a manuscript which I have not sent them.

They gave the original delivery date based on the expected date at which they would receive the manuscript. Because of family and other real life issues, I was late delivering it. I have been working roughly 14-hour days for the last two weeks to get it delivered in time for an October release date, which mans that Baen now has approximately 6 weeks to put the entire book through production. The delay is not their fault and they have given you the best information they had as to when they would be able to deliver it.

If you have a problem with that, take it up with me, not with them, because the delay is not their fault.[/quote]

drinksmuchcoffee wrote:It seems a little graceless to be complaining about the unavailability of a book months before its official scheduled publishing date.

Baen and RFC are trying to do something cool for all of us fans by making their titles available early to us. We should be thankful for that, as they certainly are under no obligation to do that.

I'd like to thank RFC for all the great work he has done. And the nice folks at Baen, as well.

To specifically RFC, but in general to one and all: I have never said that the delay was Baen's fault, nor have I ever complained about there being a delay the 1st half of the book's release. What I have criticized, is Baen's lack of communication with those that have put down money to buy a monthly bundle, that was not delivered with the full promised content, on the anticipated delivery date.

What I have criticized is Baen for is simply putting up the phrase "Delayed" and nothing else. When Baen realized that the 1st half of the book was not going to be ready on August 15th, they should have huddled up and decided when they could realistically deliver the 1st half of the book. Baen should have posted the new date up as to when the book would be ready. I would not complain if they put up October 31st, If that was when they would have the book ready to go. But communicating with their customers when a delivery date is going to be missed, is generally considered a good business practice.

My motivation in writing my disputed post, was that I objected to being called "graceless" for expecting proper communication from a a business involving a delivery delay to a customer.

Other than Baen's lack of communication, I have no complaints at all about when the 1st half (or the whole book) gets delivered. By all means RFC, give the book all the time that you wish, You are one of my favorite authors of all time. I have not, nor will I ever criticized your efforts in putting your stories into print, for the rest of us to enjoy. Your work ethic is the Mount Everest, to which all other authors look up at.

Nor RFC, will I ever complain about your efforts to communicate with your readers. Because as shown in these specific posts (as well as numerous other examples in the forum), you again are the apex, of "author to reader communication".

But there is a relational-ship distinction, between you as the author, and Baen as a publishing company, on what your readers should expect of you, vs what Baen's customers should expect from them.

My point has always been, that your readers, and Baen's customers maybe, as with Admiral/Duchess/Steadholder Harrington, two different personas inhabiting the same body, but our legitimate expectations as a reader vs a customer are different.

I must be unusual. I avoid buying eArcs. I'd rather wait for the completed, edited and proofread full version and then buy the Ebook - which I have to do because I can't cram any more dead tree books onto my shelves.

Cheers
John