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Post by Lord Skimper   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:00 am

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So thinking about the wedge tech One has been wondering if a wedge could be made into a weapon by creating an artificially created Blackhole. Some kind of bubble wedge with a fusion plant and ship full of fuel source?
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Theemile   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:47 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:So thinking about the wedge tech One has been wondering if a wedge could be made into a weapon by creating an artificially created Blackhole. Some kind of bubble wedge with a fusion plant and ship full of fuel source?


Wedges are many, many magnitudes less powerful than stars, black holes and wormholes.

Bubble SIDEWALLS (there are no bubble wedges) appear to be stronger than sidewslls, but all sidewalls are weaker than wedges.

So if a ship, no matter how big, hits a star... the star will win. There maybe an interesting burp involved, but system destroyer.... no.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Lord Skimper   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:18 pm

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I was thinking more of turning up the wedge power and making an artificial gravity source, to screw up the system or planetary gravity.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Jonathan_S   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:22 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:I was thinking more of turning up the wedge power and making an artificial gravity source, to screw up the system or planetary gravity.

Doesn't work that way. Trying to "turn up the power" would just cause the impeller rooms and/or nodes to overload and blow out.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Eagleeye   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:30 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:I was thinking more of turning up the wedge power and making an artificial gravity source, to screw up the system or planetary gravity.


Sorry, but if (and that is a really big if) that should work, than that would be (in the worst case) a suicide mission for the crew of the destroyer - and, by the way, in any case you would be painted as the biggest mass murder in history - at least 10 times bigger than Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin combined. Because you could trigger a supernova of the star in question ... or, at least, change the orbits of its planets.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Somtaaw   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:55 pm

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Someone's clearly been reading the Armageddon Inheritance book, and thinks the impeller wedge is even remotely close to an Enchanach Drive :roll:
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Theemile   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:56 pm

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Lord Skimper wrote:I was thinking more of turning up the wedge power and making an artificial gravity source, to screw up the system or planetary gravity.


Entire fleets of 100s of ships approaching a planet don't effect a planet's orbit the slightest amount. You would probably need to turn up an SDs wedge over a million times it's normal power to have even a marginal effect on a planet.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by aairfccha   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:06 pm

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Eagleeye wrote:Because you could trigger a supernova of the star in question ... or, at least, change the orbits of its planets.


Depend on the mass. A tiny black hole or a lump of degenerate matter would just release a lot of energy although neither would be particularly practical: The black hole would evaporate from Hawking radiation as soon it is formed.
Degenerate matter would be about on par with antimatter. It doesn't go off from contact with matter but requires compression all the time and at least neutronium wouldn't decay explosively.
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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Joat42   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:56 pm

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Do wedges have mass? I thought they only projected a stressed gravity field in which the ship is balanced.

If that is the case you can't affect orbits directly unless you project wedges big enough to encompass the planet in question, ie. turning the planet in to a freaking big ship. Or have a wedge intersecting a planet which would be seriously bad.

Also, you can't really construct black holes using wedges since you would have compress matter until you overcome the neutron degeneracy pressure and wedges has a tendency to accelerate matter away.

You could theoretically use several wedges as big matter collider but the energy levels required to create black holes that doesn't evaporate within nanoseconds is unpractical. The other problem which makes it unpractical is that the ships projecting the wedges would accelerate away from each other...

So, no system destroyer. That would have been kind of obvious if one pondered upon it for a minute or two...

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Re: Honorverse system destroyer
Post by Relax   » Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:19 pm

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Plops down.
Asks for a Skimper special blackhole round wedge impeller drink...

Is flabbergasted when he gets thrown out on his ass without his drink or even a smile...
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