Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse

cthia wrote:Trying to wield the "Thunder of God" against his own people.

Weird Harold wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:I thought that she was one of the plotters in Queen's Gambit, if so then Honor was not involved.

More than Honor
The Universe of Honor Harrington:
Manticoran Domestic Politics wrote:The Liberal Party, headed by Marisa Turner, Countess of New Kiev, advocates humanist reform and is relatively disinterested in foreign policy. They are larger than the Crown Loyalists but smaller than the Centrists and have less numerous but extremely loyal adherents in the Commons.

You're (probably) thinking of Jean Marrou, exiled to Sphinx to study Treecats for the crown (and left to the Treecats tender mercies if they take exception to Monroe's suffering from the loss of King Roger.)

saber964 wrote:Anyone who goes up against Honor in personal or professional way. They have a tendency to wind up dead or disgraced.

Denver Summervale dead
Pavel Young dead
Stephen Young disgraced
Georgia Young disgraced and running fast and far
Michael Janvier disgraced
Edward Janacek disgraced and dead
Reginald Houseman disgraced
Marisa Turner disgraced
Elaine Descroix disgraced
William Fitzclarence dead
Samuel Muller dead

You could probably add Dimitri Young too.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

saber964 wrote:Anyone who goes up against Honor in personal or professional way. They have a tendency to wind up dead or disgraced.

Denver Summervale dead
Pavel Young dead
Stephen Young disgraced
Georgia Young disgraced and running fast and far
Michael Janvier disgraced
Edward Janacek disgraced and dead
Reginald Houseman disgraced
Marisa Turner disgraced
Elaine Descroix disgraced
William Fitzclarence dead
Samuel Muller dead

You could probably add Dimitri Young too.

Actually going up against Honor professionally is not necessarily a ticket to disgrace or death. off the top of my head
Thomas Theisman
Warner Caslet
Alfredo Yu
(and to roseandheather's dismay) Javier Giscard (although he did end up dead)

It really appears to be in the nature of personal attacks on Honor are a good way to professional suicide.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

saber964 wrote:Anyone who goes up against Honor in personal or professional way. They have a tendency to wind up dead or disgraced.

Denver Summervale dead
Pavel Young dead
Stephen Young disgraced
Georgia Young disgraced and running fast and far
Michael Janvier disgraced
Edward Janacek disgraced and dead
Reginald Houseman disgraced
Marisa Turner disgraced
Elaine Descroix disgraced
William Fitzclarence dead
Samuel Muller dead

You could probably add Dimitri Young too.

Actually going up against Honor professionally is not necessarily a ticket to disgrace or death. off the top of my head
Thomas Theisman
Warner Caslet
Alfredo Yu
(and to roseandheather's dismay) Javier Giscard (although he did end up dead)

It really appears to be in the nature of personal attacks on Honor are a good way to professional suicide.

cthia wrote:

pnakasone wrote:How about Randy Steilman destroying a perfectly good plan to desert from RMN just because he had to get revenge on Ginger Lewis for reporting him for the "accident" he caused.

Yea.

I apologize for not sharing a thought of my niece's with all of you long ago...

"Can you imagine the pummeling Steilman would have received had he actually killed her?

Wanderman would have been so mad, he would have handled the entire thing spiritually, "Be thankful for what ye are about to receive."

- LOL, my niece

Wanderman would have been so mad he would have handled the entire thing spiritually, "Be thankful for what ye are about to receive."

Then he would have proceeded to turn the other cheek. And the other. And the other. And the other...

“And what happened on Torch, Your Majesty?” Mourncreek said.

“They invited us – me – to a summit meeting. I don’t think they actually expected me to accept. I think it was essentially planned as yet another of their damned diplomatic lies. They probably intended to publish the correspondence of their invitation and my refusal as proof that they’re the ‘reasonable party’ in this war. It would have bolstered their claim that they’ve been telling the truth about our diplomatic correspondence from the beginning.

“But then I accepted their invitation, and we nominated Torch for the site and invited Erewhon to provide security, with the possibility of repairing the damage to our relations with the Erewhonese. They hadn’t counted on that. And even though they’d probably never expected to sit down and negotiate seriously, they found themselves in a position where they might actually have to do that. Where it was even possible we’d sound like the voice of reason. So they decided to avoid the entire problem by killing Berry and Ruth – after all, what’s the death of two more teenaged girls to bastards like Peeps? For that matter, if the girls’ schedule hadn’t slipped, they probably would have killed Thandi Palane and decapitated the Torch military, as well. Obviously, the confusion and chaos which would have resulted would have made Torch completely impossible as a conference site. And even if it hadn’t, they could always point to their concern about security issues and the safety of their precious President Pritchart as reasons they couldn’t possibly meet with me there. After, of course, sending me their lying condolences for my niece’s death – just like Saint-Just did after he murdered Uncle Anson and Cal!”

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“Very well.” Elizabeth surveyed her ministers one more time, then nodded sharply, decisively.

“Willie, I’m going to draft a note to Pritchart. It’s not going to be pretty. I’m going to officially and publicly denounce her actions and notify her that I have no intention of meeting anywhere with someone who uses assassination as a routine tool. And I’m also going to notify her that we intend to resume active military operations immediately.”

Annachie wrote:Why didn't Beowolf veto the investigation into itself?

Or even someone else who had a bone to pick with the Mandarins. Surely someone was annoyed at them enough to do it.