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Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?

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Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:36 pm

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First thanks to Theemile for the references:

Theemile wrote:On Keyhole: Keyhole has evolved through many iterations off screen to get to where it is currently. The original design was a 20 K-ton offensive link only version with only LS fire control links. The current 60 (KH1) and 120 (KH2) K-ton modules currently add PDLCs, free flight, self power, and the ability to act as a retransmit and receive point for all of a warship's external communications an sensors. All Keyholes were at their hart offensive minded - KH2 added Apollo to the mix. The Battlecruisers still carry KH1 modules, with no Apollo capability.

Including PDLCs may require an onboard reactor to power them - increasing the size of each Keyhole. Beyond that, if a module can be built to control 45 salvos of 400+ ship killers in a salvo out to ~90 MKM on a 20 K-ton platform, I don't see why you can't squeeze the capacity to control ~30 CM x11 salvos out to 4 MKM, in a slightly smaller design, giving the possibility of some PDLCs in the same mass.


Also for reference, from House of Steel:

Ferret-class light attack craft
Mass: 20,750 tons
Dimensions: 72 × 20 × 20 m
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Forward: 4M, 4CM, 6PD
Aft: 4CM, 6PD


A light warship, DD/CL/CA needs to control more missiles than a Ferret or Shrike, but it won't have many occasions to control the 400+ missiles an SD does. It won't need a LACs life support tonnage or magazine space (all missiles come from the mother ship or consorts/pods) but it will need more control links and CM Links. It will need the sensors and PDLCs of KH I and II units, although possibly not as many or work in conjunction with forward deployed RDs for sensor data (FTL datalink to drones?)

FTL control links apparently double the mass of LS-only KH. A light warship doesn't really need FTL missile control links.

So...

tl:dr What capabilities would you put in a KHL (Keyhole Lite) of 20-30 Ktons, and where would you mount it?
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Relax   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:56 pm

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Not sure why you are bothering. Honorverse control links have as much adherence to reality as an apple does to an orange. Both are roughly round, and grow on trees...

It is impossible. We have RD's that already do the mission with 'x' amount of bandwidth at roughly 270-500tons with FTL no less, and yet they are not used. Once this occurs, rationality has left the building and we are into 100% hocus pocus never never land and the queen of hearts territory.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Potato   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:09 pm

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Relax wrote:Not sure why you are bothering.


I am not sure why you are bothering. I have never seen someone who so obviously hates a series, yet keeps coming to a forum to shitpost literally all the damn time. We get it, you hate the series. So how about you go away and leave the people who do like it alone. We don't need your fucking massive fucking ego constantly proclaiming how smart you are and how dumb the author is.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:12 pm

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Relax wrote:Not sure why you are bothering. Honorverse control links have as much adherence to reality as an apple does to an orange. Both are roughly round, and grow on trees...


That may be, but that's the way the Honoverse works. Real life has absolutely no bearing on the parameters RFC defined. :roll:
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Relax   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:01 pm

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Potato wrote:
Relax wrote:Not sure why you are bothering.


I am not sure why you are bothering. I have never seen someone who so obviously hates a series, yet keeps coming to a forum to shitpost literally all the damn time. We get it, you hate the series. So how about you go away and leave the people who do like it alone. We don't need your fucking massive fucking ego constantly proclaiming how smart you are and how dumb the author is.

So, if you dislike or are perturbed by something about a culture, country, person, book series does that mean you hate said culture, country, person, or book series? Try even keeled logic someday.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Relax   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:03 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
Relax wrote:Not sure why you are bothering. Honorverse control links have as much adherence to reality as an apple does to an orange. Both are roughly round, and grow on trees...


That may be, but that's the way the Honoverse works. Real life has absolutely no bearing on the parameters RFC defined. :roll:


In this case RFC has set no parameters. He has set precedent though in BOMA1.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Potato   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:10 pm

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Relax wrote:So, if you dislike or are perturbed by something about a culture, country, person, book series does that mean you hate said culture, country, person, or book series? Try even keeled logic someday.


The difference is that the rest of us are capable of holding an actual discussion on the topic. The moment you show up, it's immediately to post "this is stupid, you are stupid, look at how smart I am for saying how stupid it is." You have nothing to contribute in every single discussion I have seen you participate in.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:15 pm

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Potato wrote:The difference is that the rest of us are capable of holding an actual discussion on the topic.


So, let us ignore Relax and design a KHL?
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Duckk   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:17 pm

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Well, this escalated quickly. Potato, knock it off with the attacks. Relax, discuss the topic at hand without digressions into how you disagree with how the 'verse is set up.
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Re: Keyhole Lite for smaller ships -- how?
Post by Relax   » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:43 pm

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Potato wrote:
Relax wrote:So, if you dislike or are perturbed by something about a culture, country, person, book series does that mean you hate said culture, country, person, or book series? Try even keeled logic someday.


The difference is that the rest of us are capable of holding an actual discussion on the topic. The moment you show up, it's immediately to post "this is stupid, you are stupid, look at how smart I am for saying how stupid it is." You have nothing to contribute in every single discussion I have seen you participate in.
Aww, does logic repel you? I guess truth is a micro aggression in your world.

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