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New Mandarin Doctrine - a Deliverance

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Re: New Mandarin Doctrine - a Deliverance
Post by George J. Smith   » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:17 pm

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Rincewind wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:There could also be a nod in the direction of The Mikado by Gilbert & Sullivan, that was a satirical take on the bureaucracy of Britain at the time.


Or, if you want a Twentieth Century example, the incomparable Yes, Minister & Yes, Prime Minister.

Ah yes, the hapless Jim Hacker MP; (& later PM) 'usually' being effortlessly outmanoeuvred by Sir Humphrey Appleby, the archetypal Whitehall Mandarin.

Still one of the funniest shows on TV.



Couldn't agree more!!!
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Re: New Mandarin Doctrine - a Deliverance
Post by Loren Pechtel   » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:06 pm

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cthia wrote:Would it realistically dethrone them from their 1000# status since they did not formally dispatch any fleet? Mesan machinations via Rajampet did. The League never drafted a formal strategy therefore they didn't take the loss. Their navy was dispatched without benefit of strategy/tactics or even serious intel (as so they can spin the record of it anyways).


The fleet being sent by the Mandarins is irrelevant. The SLN sent the biggest punch it reasonably could and it came up way, way short against a little neobarb nation. The SLN's 1000# gorilla status is as smashed as 11th fleet. The Solarian Empire survived only because of that illusion of invincibility.
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Re: New Mandarin Doctrine - a Deliverance
Post by Kytheros   » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:53 pm

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Loren Pechtel wrote:
cthia wrote:Would it realistically dethrone them from their 1000# status since they did not formally dispatch any fleet? Mesan machinations via Rajampet did. The League never drafted a formal strategy therefore they didn't take the loss. Their navy was dispatched without benefit of strategy/tactics or even serious intel (as so they can spin the record of it anyways).


The fleet being sent by the Mandarins is irrelevant. The SLN sent the biggest punch it reasonably could and it came up way, way short against a little neobarb nation. The SLN's 1000# gorilla status is as smashed as 11th fleet. The Solarian Empire survived only because of that illusion of invincibility.

On the other hand, it's not really an illusion against basically everyone else in human space who doesn't have Haven Sector or MAlign tech or the protection/backing of someone who does.
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Re: New Mandarin Doctrine - a Deliverance
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:37 pm

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cthia wrote:Would it realistically dethrone them from their 1000# status since they did not formally dispatch any fleet? Mesan machinations via Rajampet did. The League never drafted a formal strategy therefore they didn't take the loss. Their navy was dispatched without benefit of strategy/tactics or even serious intel (as so they can spin the record of it anyways).


That may be true of Filareta' Folly, but it isn't true of the fleet being sent to "monitor" the secession vote in Beowulf. That's going to take more spin than the Tazmanian Devil to weasel out of the Mandarins' responsibility.
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