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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Nico   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:35 am

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Daryl, that's horrible and horribly funny.

What bugs me about the whole thing is Trump's response to Mr Khan's speech: I have sacrificed so, so much. Very, very much. I work very, very hard.

But not a single detail of how very much he has sacrificed.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:39 pm

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So, as long as Hillary can use the press and legal system to prevent actual charges from being brought against her you are fine?

She broke the law with her handling of her emails but didn't mean to. Her negligence exposed national security to foreign powers. No charges at all so you do not care.

She protected her rapist husband. She stayed with him. She acquiesced to paying off Bills victim. He used the power of his office to avoid criminal charges. He used State Troopers to procure the objects of his attention.

She knew all of this was going on and supported all this crap.

Now we get emails that no one has denied are genuine indicating a quid pro quo selling appointments to big doners between Hillary's campaign and DNC. So what if they were hacked. They are real and show systemic political corruption.

There are folks that will vote for her and protect her regardless of what she's done. This includes the press. That has been my point all along. Hillary has twisted the legal system to her advantage for decades and can further twist our system going forward.

Hillary is and will be worse than Trump can hope to be in his wildest dreams. He does not have all those folks protecting him. She does. All those folks will be looking for any infraction to yank him by his short and curlies should he win the Presidency.

Until something proves to me Johnson had a reasonable chance, Trump is the least damaging alternative.

Nico wrote:So now you're rejecting the American law system?

As far as I am aware, settlements are a ubiquitous feature of that system, often used in order to prevent further damage to a person's reputation, amongst numerous reasons.

What that tells me reflects on Bill Clinton, not Hillary Clinton. It tells me that he is or was somewhat of an adulterer. It does not tell me that he was a rapist, because he was never convicted of such a crime.

Or have you now thrown out the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' as well?

And do you now convict the wife for the husband's sins?
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:59 pm

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Until Johnson proves he has a reasonable chance to win, voting for him is voting for Clinton. Colorado will be too tight as it is. If I vote my preference, I shall be inceasing the odds that the worst outcome manifests.


DDHv wrote:From:

unnamed subscriber in Stansberry mailbag

The trouble with not voting is that 'they' think that you do not care, and assume that whomever it is that wins the election has a much larger mandate than he/she really does. The other approach is to vote 'against' a candidate by voting for the lesser of two evils. The trouble with this approach is that much like the not voting example, the vote you cast is taken to be what you actually want, and this gives the machine the assumption that you approve of whomever it is for whom you voted. It is for this reason that I vote in EVERY election, and I vote for the candidate that I actually want in office.


Interesting points there
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:idea: A thought: given voters who take the trouble to vet the politicians before voting, the politicos have a clue as to when they should back off before the harassed citizens revolt. I wonder if enough of them have the sense to pay attention
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by gcomeau   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:27 pm

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PeterZ wrote:Until Johnson proves he has a reasonable chance to win, voting for him is voting for Clinton. Colorado will be too tight as it is. If I vote my preference, I shall be inceasing the odds that the worst outcome manifests.



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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Nico   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:05 pm

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Innocent until proven guilty is the central premise of any civilized system of jurisprudence. The American system happens to utilize out-of-court settlements for a variety of reasons.

As for the e-mail thing, the FBI has concluded that while careless, there are no grounds to prosecute her.

And as for Benghazi, 8 (that is eight; shall I emphasize that with a capitalized EIGHT) Republican-dominated Congressional inquiries have concluded that Hillary Clinton hasn't done a damn thing wrong.

Yet still conservatives are persecuting her, still they accuse her of unproven crimes, still they predict disaster and calamity should she win this election. It is irrational, foolish and ignorant.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, cannot decide from one moment to another what he wants policy-wise, he has no self-control, no dignity, attacks anyone who disagrees with him or opposes him in the most vicious manner possible, uses the publicity offered by his candidature to promote his private business interests, he has no in-depth understanding of current political challenges, he has no respect for anyone including himself, no honor, no loyalty to his country or its allies, he is a hatemongering bigot who uses the legitimate fears of his supporters to stoke division and hatred, he despises powerful women and has repeatedly made it clear that he considers them as little more than holes.

In short, while Clinton might have her faults, she at least is competent, experienced, dignified and loyal to her country.

Trump is nothing more than a vile, despicable brute who will make America and the entire Free World less safe for years if not decades to come.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:01 pm

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Nico,

I am not advocating prosecution. I am saying that she is skillful enough to enrich herself and her foundation by skirting the law and yes using her connections to avoid prosecution.

Innocent until Provence guilty? Sure. We couldn't get Al Capone on anything but tax evasion. He was legally innocent of everything else since the feds could not prove their case. Does that mean he was not guilty? No. The same applies to the Empress of Corruption.

Btw, I doubt conservative Republicans are the only ones that hate her. Quite a few of Bernie's supporters do too. Most of them hate Trump more. If I had their world view, I would hate Trump more too. They are at least honestly looking at their choices. I can admire that honesty even if I disagree with everything else.

Nico wrote:Innocent until proven guilty is the central premise of any civilized system of jurisprudence. The American system happens to utilize out-of-court settlements for a variety of reasons.

As for the e-mail thing, the FBI has concluded that while careless, there are no grounds to prosecute her.

And as for Benghazi, 8 (that is eight; shall I emphasize that with a capitalized EIGHT) Republican-dominated Congressional inquiries have concluded that Hillary Clinton hasn't done a damn thing wrong.

Yet still conservatives are persecuting her, still they accuse her of unproven crimes, still they predict disaster and calamity should she win this election. It is irrational, foolish and ignorant.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, cannot decide from one moment to another what he wants policy-wise, he has no self-control, no dignity, attacks anyone who disagrees with him or opposes him in the most vicious manner possible, uses the publicity offered by his candidature to promote his private business interests, he has no in-depth understanding of current political challenges, he has no respect for anyone including himself, no honor, no loyalty to his country or its allies, he is a hatemongering bigot who uses the legitimate fears of his supporters to stoke division and hatred, he despises powerful women and has repeatedly made it clear that he considers them as little more than holes.

In short, while Clinton might have her faults, she at least is competent, experienced, dignified and loyal to her country.

Trump is nothing more than a vile, despicable brute who will make America and the entire Free World less safe for years if not decades to come.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:03 pm

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There is still time for Trump and the Empress to destroy each other. Until they do Johnson is an intriguing footnote.

gcomeau wrote:
PeterZ wrote:Until Johnson proves he has a reasonable chance to win, voting for him is voting for Clinton. Colorado will be too tight as it is. If I vote my preference, I shall be inceasing the odds that the worst outcome manifests.



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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Annachie   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:08 pm

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Nico wrote:Daryl, that's horrible and horribly funny.

What bugs me about the whole thing is Trump's response to Mr Khan's speech: I have sacrificed so, so much. Very, very much. I work very, very hard.

But not a single detail of how very much he has sacrificed.

Actually that response is very Trump.

It's hard to think of a specific detail he's ever given. It's almost all generalities.
A political tactic that works far too well these days :(

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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Annachie   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:11 pm

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Thinking about it, America has damn near the worst democracy you can have while still being an actual democracy.

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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:59 pm

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America has never been a Democracy. It is and has always been a Republic.

Annachie wrote:Thinking about it, America has damn near the worst democracy you can have while still being an actual democracy.

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