End Of Safehold or end of the first series?

Will we see the action skip ahead several hundred years, and Safehold go out to confront the Gbaba?

CathyH wrote:Will we see the action skip ahead several hundred years, and Safehold go out to confront the Gbaba?

IIRC, there has been mention of a second series some 20 years after the end of the first series. I personally don't expect to see Safehold advance into space to confront the Gbaba; It would be anti-climactic "war-porn" if it happened.

Weird Harold wrote:

CathyH wrote:Will we see the action skip ahead several hundred years, and Safehold go out to confront the Gbaba?

IIRC, there has been mention of a second series some 20 years after the end of the first series. I personally don't expect to see Safehold advance into space to confront the Gbaba; It would be anti-climactic "war-porn" if it happened.

Whether it is anticlimactic depends on whether the Federation analysis of the Gbaba had any merit. If the Federation was fighting totally obsolete Gbaba coast guard cutters, not updated because there is no point to it, with the local Gbaba Grand Moff not calling for help because there would be a loss of prestige, while the Gbaba Empire of 50 Local Groups of Galaxies views a Dahak-class as a light escort and an escapee from one of Taurus games advanced warships as a serious combatant -- all four light years long of it -- there may be a bit of a challenge.

phillies wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:...It would be anti-climactic "war-porn" if it happened.

Whether it is anticlimactic depends on whether the Federation analysis of the Gbaba had any merit....

You missed the "war-porn" qualifier.

I can't think of any successful campaign against the Gbaba that wouldn't be "war-porn" and the struggle to get a force built to conduct a successful campaign would be far more interesting to me. The entire campaign against the Gbaba could be reduced to two scenes and resolve the entire series satisfactorily: First re-encounter and demonstration of Safeholdian superiority and a final "Shiva Option" destruction of the final Gbaba world.

Of course there is always this

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Actually, I hope Wierd Harold is wrong. I'd like to see a series based on the full recovery of TF tech and the confrontation with the Gbaba. I'm sure that RFC can manage to build enough suspense into it to avoid it being war porn.

Besides, how often have the bad guys won in the war against the church... not very often.

Don

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n7axw wrote:Actually, I hope Wierd Harold is wrong. I'd like to see a series based on the full recovery of TF tech and the confrontation with the Gbaba. I'm sure that RFC can manage to build enough suspense into it to avoid it being war porn.

Besides, how often have the bad guys won in the war against the church... not very often.

Don

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Practically? Unlikely. We are talking about that stage of the story taking as long as the Honorverse. RFC doesn't have the time unless he lives to reach his 90's.

PeterZ wrote:

n7axw wrote:Actually, I hope Wierd Harold is wrong. I'd like to see a series based on the full recovery of TF tech and the confrontation with the Gbaba. I'm sure that RFC can manage to build enough suspense into it to avoid it being war porn.

Besides, how often have the bad guys won in the war against the church... not very often.

Don

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Practically? Unlikely. We are talking about that stage of the story taking as long as the Honorverse. RFC doesn't have the time unless he lives to reach his 90's.

He wouldn't necessarily be re-creating an entire super-complex galactic culture... it would be one plucky planet against a fairly monolithic enemy.

That's the main problem with the series progressing into that phase... the Gbaba do not seem all that interesting an enemy. We've kind of 'been there, done that' with the Achuultani and the Bugs.

If he were to write another Starfire style 'big galactic fight' series, I'd much rather see him continue The Excalibur Alternative. The galactic big bad guys are much more varied and interesting.

NervousEnergy wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
Practically? Unlikely. We are talking about that stage of the story taking as long as the Honorverse. RFC doesn't have the time unless he lives to reach his 90's.

He wouldn't necessarily be re-creating an entire super-complex galactic culture... it would be one plucky planet against a fairly monolithic enemy.

That's the main problem with the series progressing into that phase... the Gbaba do not seem all that interesting an enemy. We've kind of 'been there, done that' with the Achuultani and the Bugs.

If he were to write another Starfire style 'big galactic fight' series, I'd much rather see him continue The Excalibur Alternative. The galactic big bad guys are much more varied and interesting.

They can be that interesting. Making them so will require time and many novels.

If they are some sort of AI based culture, what happens when that monolithic culture receives proof that the distributed intelligences can and do compete effectively? Wonderful story to tell there, but not easy nor quick in the telling.

Perhaps there is religious doctrine that guides the xenophobia or simply competitive strategy they follow. Like the Shiva Option, creatures following this strategy can question it before they meet their end. Will it come soon enough? Again, possible to tell a compelling story but not quickly.

NervousEnergy wrote:That's the main problem with the series progressing into that phase... the Gbaba do not seem all that interesting an enemy. We've kind of 'been there, done that' with the Achuultani and the Bugs.

If he were to write another Starfire style 'big galactic fight' series, I'd much rather see him continue The Excalibur Alternative. The galactic big bad guys are much more varied and interesting.

I dunno. If the series gets that far, I can easily see Weber fleshing out the Gbaba by making them the CoGA writ large. With superior technology but vastly inferior numbers, Safehold then becomes the Gbaba's "Merlin" to the galaxy at large. They defeat the Gbaba not by open battle, but by using disaffected Gbaba proxies to crack the Gbaba's supposed monolithic solidarity, much in the same way Merlin cracked the CoGA's solidarity.