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by drinksmuchcoffee » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:41 pm | |
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I understand that the Mesan Alignment is a centuries old-conspiracy, with sleeper agents embedded all over the human-explored galaxy.
Obviously their agents, who are members of the Alignment and at least partway into the Onion, have been genetically enhanced and are no longer "normals." Those genetic enhancements would very likely be detectable by modern medical technology -- they'd probably be detectable by our current medical technology. My question is "why hasn't somebody noticed?" Presumably over the centuries more than one Alignment agent has been in an accident and I'd assume that the "regen" and "quick heal" technologies at least require a DNA sample to work their magic. In Beowulf or Manticore you might make the argument that privacy rights might preclude the authorities for getting their hands on a DNA sample. But that certainly wouldn't apply, say, in the People's Republic of Haven or possibly in Silesia. On the other hand if a mysterious stranger dies in an air car accident the authorities might resort to DNA testing to locate the next of kin. At the very least, now that they have a living member of the Alignment, why aren't they taking a DNA sample? That might help them start looking for sleeper agents. It might not, too, but it is a starting point. |
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by SharkHunter » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:06 pm | |
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My thought is -- they don't have a lot of superhumans running around playing agents -- they've mosty been successful using the perverted appetities of others or using pawns like Damien Harahap, Nesbitt (not Tony, the sleeper agent one), apparently Descroix or similar -- to get their dirty work done.
The other thing that makes detection harder is that Manpower has been engaged in genetic manipulation for centuries, so how does Beowulf, Manticore, etc. differentiate between "fairly successful escaped slave mod 34B and "sleeper agent 34 mark 7, #2 etc.? ---------------------
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by feyhunde » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:26 pm | |
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Possibly since so much of the RF's core upper classes are Mesan lines, I'd imagine that gives them a fig leaf for the deep cover agents in the SL.
I'm not some random Mesan Spy! I'm from Visgoth. |
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by JohnRoth » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:32 pm | |
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I think that's a good chunk of it - a lot of the Mesan Alpha enhancements aren't all that different from what you might see in one slave line or other. A second piece is that they don't have enhanced agents all over the place. They've got "sleeper" lines on a number of planets that are intended to become part of the elite and take over the planet's government, etc., not engage in super-sekret clandestine operations. The elite doesn't do that - they tell someone else to do it. Most places, the Alpha, Beta and Gamma lines are a very small part of the population. The final piece is that the series was designed in the early 90s. The Human Genome Project completed in 2003, and researchers are still finding lots of mysterious pieces. If the series had been designed today, some things might be very different. |
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by drinksmuchcoffee » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:57 pm | |
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Which begs the question: "Why does this guy from Sphinx whose family has been on Sphinx for centuries have gene markers that look similar to Manpower slaves?" I'd also suspect that the prolong treatments require full gene sequencing as well. Since everyone in those richer countries (I'm including Haven) have had prolong for nearly a century I would think someone, somewhere would have noticed. |
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by Weird Harold » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:36 pm | |
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Who would notice one more type of "genie" in a population that contains just about every heavy gravity modification ever made -- including thousands of Mesa heavy gravity slave lines? Also, I think there is a misconception that MAlign Alpha, Beta, Gamma, etc lines are something extraordinarily modified from "normal" genetic variation. That's not the case; Mesan "Star Lines" would be virtually indistinguishable from normal genetic variation except for the "mesa-forming" that would be detectable in all of Mesa's population and most of Manpower's slave lines. That the MAlign considers their "Star Lines" superior to "normals" is more conceit than reality. The "Scrags" consider themselves "superior" but are demonstrably inferior to Thandi Palane and a host of other characters; I don't think "Star Lines" are any more "superior" than Scrags are. .
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by drinksmuchcoffee » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:40 pm | |
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So RFC & co are leaving an opening for finding sleepers via gene scans. Okay. |
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by JohnRoth » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:46 pm | |
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Um, no. David has said any number of times that the Alpha lines, and to some extent the Beta lines, are demonstrably superior to the general run of humanity. He's said it a number of times, in a number of different ways. For example:
That's not a delusion. That's what they've done. Also, "Star Lines" are not different from Alphas; they're just the bleeding edge of development. |
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by Weird Harold » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:02 pm | |
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There is a difference between better than "normals" and "as superior as we think we are." Other genetic lines are also superior to "normals" -- including Scrags -- and some, like the Mfecane worlds are arguably superior to anything the MAlign has produced. .
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by JohnRoth » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:22 am | |
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Textev please. |
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