New Pod layer new CLAC new LAC

Given the whole disperia of Pod layer SD and CLAC fragile as a freighter and LAC being Tough as nails and Pods total offense and no defense. Let's redesign and change everything.

A Tough as SD(P) mothership. Made larger, Armoured with dual chase launch bays one at each end. Dual LAC Pod bays hollow, but with a cylindrical core and central structural section, with all the important stuff, bottles, etc...

Call it the Whitehaven Class.

The Ships should have Energy base broadsides with modern upgraded Lasers, of a variety of sizes, DD through to SD, offering an up-close Energy anti ship weapon load and medium range anti missile duty. Lots of CM's lots more than any other ship 100+ per broadside, and SD PD clusters. Two Keyhole II/III per broadside focused on long range sensors with a focus on Anti missile defense.

In "end tube" chase launched bays, two three four heavily armoured bay doors launching the LAC Highlander 282, Pod LAC. Each craft carrying 2 Apollo Mk23 pods in each broadside. 3 LAC lasers optimised for Anti ship/missile duties and Katana chase CM/Viper launchers and PD clusters. Each capable of controlling the Apollo missile and clustered Mk23 missiles. With target relay information from the main ship. Telemetry for 1/2/3/4 pods of missiles per salvo.

With 100 such LAC Pods 50 per cavity of the LAC Pod layer main ship. Think of a large rotatory LAC launch system similar to the Japanese underground car parking parkades. see youtube if you don't know. The whole inner system in the cavity can reload the LAC at key points, pulling crew off into the ship proper and having repair bays for damaged ships etc...

This makes a ship with much more survivability and much bigger fully controlled Missile salvos. instead on an Invictus with 200 Apollo controlled missile salvos. You end up with a Whitehaven class Ship firing Apollo Salvos of 900/1800/2700/3600 missiles. let's be conservative and say 900. That is 450% of the Invictus class. Able to fire the missiles. The bigger the Salvo the better the chance of surviving. This ship also carries the ability to survive its own offensive punch. Unlike the Invictus.

Each LAC carries a full Katana CM/Viper chase tube array. Able to coordinate with the Mainship sensors and defend against incoming attacks.

In Larger fleets, Invictus can fire 200 times 50 10,000 missiles in full control. This Whitehaven class can fire fully controlled Salvo's of 45,000 missiles. And with 5,000 LAC defend against that many missiles as well.

50 Invictus could fire 'dumb uncontrolled' 450,000 plus missiles. But then 50 Whitehaven's could fire 180,000 missiles but we all know that dumb fired missiles are quite dumb.

50 Whitehaven could be fired at all engagement by 50 Invictus and never be hit. While 50 Invictus would be defending against 900 Apollo controlled missiles each. Even with 100 being Apollo and 200 being EW, that leaves 600 Attacking missiles each ship each salvo.

Now the 50 Invictus can add 50 CLAC but then 100 Whitehaven's can make the whole state of affairs even more lopsided. Twice the LAC and 900% of the missiles.

Whitehaven's, and Highlander 282's are the Answer to Pod layer CLAC combat.

*sits back and grabs popcorn*

munroburton wrote:*sits back and grabs popcorn*

Enjoy.

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Lord Skimper wrote:Given the whole disperia of Pod layer SD and CLAC fragile as a freighter and LAC being Tough as nails and Pods total offense and no defense. Let's redesign and change everything.

A Tough as SD(P) mothership. Made larger, Armoured with dual chase launch bays one at each end. Dual LAC Pod bays hollow, but with a cylindrical core and central structural section, with all the important stuff, bottles, etc...

Call it the Whitehaven Class.

The Ships should have Energy base broadsides with modern upgraded Lasers, of a variety of sizes, DD through to SD, offering an up-close Energy anti ship weapon load and medium range anti missile duty. Lots of CM's lots more than any other ship 100+ per broadside, and SD PD clusters. Two Keyhole II/III per broadside focused on long range sensors with a focus on Anti missile defense.

In "end tube" chase launched bays, two three four heavily armoured bay doors launching the LAC Highlander 282, Pod LAC. Each craft carrying 2 Apollo Mk23 pods in each broadside. 3 LAC lasers optimised for Anti ship/missile duties and Katana chase CM/Viper launchers and PD clusters. Each capable of controlling the Apollo missile and clustered Mk23 missiles. With target relay information from the main ship. Telemetry for 1/2/3/4 pods of missiles per salvo.

With 100 such LAC Pods 50 per cavity of the LAC Pod layer main ship. Think of a large rotatory LAC launch system similar to the Japanese underground car parking parkades. see youtube if you don't know. The whole inner system in the cavity can reload the LAC at key points, pulling crew off into the ship proper and having repair bays for damaged ships etc...

This makes a ship with much more survivability and much bigger fully controlled Missile salvos. instead on an Invictus with 200 Apollo controlled missile salvos. You end up with a Whitehaven class Ship firing Apollo Salvos of 900/1800/2700/3600 missiles. let's be conservative and say 900. That is 450% of the Invictus class. Able to fire the missiles. The bigger the Salvo the better the chance of surviving. This ship also carries the ability to survive its own offensive punch. Unlike the Invictus.

Each LAC carries a full Katana CM/Viper chase tube array. Able to coordinate with the Mainship sensors and defend against incoming attacks.

In Larger fleets, Invictus can fire 200 times 50 10,000 missiles in full control. This Whitehaven class can fire fully controlled Salvo's of 45,000 missiles. And with 5,000 LAC defend against that many missiles as well.

50 Invictus could fire 'dumb uncontrolled' 450,000 plus missiles. But then 50 Whitehaven's could fire 180,000 missiles but we all know that dumb fired missiles are quite dumb.

50 Whitehaven could be fired at all engagement by 50 Invictus and never be hit. While 50 Invictus would be defending against 900 Apollo controlled missiles each. Even with 100 being Apollo and 200 being EW, that leaves 600 Attacking missiles each ship each salvo.

Now the 50 Invictus can add 50 CLAC but then 100 Whitehaven's can make the whole state of affairs even more lopsided. Twice the LAC and 900% of the missiles.

Whitehaven's, and Highlander 282's are the Answer to Pod layer CLAC combat.

The problem is with survivability. An invictis can take up to 200 hits and still remain partially effective.

50 hits will mission kill most CLAC's 100 hits will turn a CLAC into dust or mission kill your whitehaven class. (and hammish alaxander would be screaming a bloody murder if anyone wanted to name such an abortion after him!)

normal combat doctrine is to put the CLAC's behind the SDP's so that they are more protested.

the POD/CLAC hybrid would force your CLAC's out in front where they are more vunlerable to be killed, plus ammunition supply would be even more limited than on a normal podlayer.

MuonNeutrino wrote:

A very smart person wrote:That is not only not right, it is not even wrong.

Or if you prefer the alternate version:

A very smart person wrote:What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not.

This, very much this.

Also this monstrosity is either a TARDIS ship, bigger on the inside, or else it's got to be in excess of 20 mtons to cram that mismatched heap of hardware in. But hey if you're throwing pods out the front you don't want acceleration of your run them over

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No. Just no.

Whitehaven would shoot you for trying to name this after him. And there isn't a courtmartial that would convict him.




While there has been word from RFC about a more heavily armored CLAC to reload LACs mid-combat, and speculation about what its design might be like ... this ... abomination is not it.



The concept of hybrid carrier/gunship design does not work in the technological confines of the Honorverse. At least, not until you're damned huge - maybe something around Lenny Det sized or bigger, since the graser spider torps are huge. Or a particularly large Fort.
The other alternative would be making small craft - the size of stingships, pinnaces or assault shuttles - viable combat platforms against actual ships. Honorverse technology does not currently allow for that to happen; although I suppose that you might, in theory, be able to make something that size a viable anti-missile laser platform.

Lord Skimper wrote:Given the whole disperia of Pod layer SD and CLAC fragile as a freighter and LAC being Tough as nails and Pods total offense and no defense. Let's redesign and change everything.

A Tough as SD(P) mothership. Made larger, Armoured with dual chase launch bays one at each end. Dual LAC Pod bays hollow, but with a cylindrical core and central structural section, with all the important stuff, bottles, etc...

Call it the Whitehaven Class.

The Ships should have Energy base broadsides with modern upgraded Lasers, of a variety of sizes, DD through to SD, offering an up-close Energy anti ship weapon load and medium range anti missile duty. Lots of CM's lots more than any other ship 100+ per broadside, and SD PD clusters. Two Keyhole II/III per broadside focused on long range sensors with a focus on Anti missile defense.

In "end tube" chase launched bays, two three four heavily armoured bay doors launching the LAC Highlander 282, Pod LAC. Each craft carrying 2 Apollo Mk23 pods in each broadside. 3 LAC lasers optimised for Anti ship/missile duties and Katana chase CM/Viper launchers and PD clusters. Each capable of controlling the Apollo missile and clustered Mk23 missiles. With target relay information from the main ship. Telemetry for 1/2/3/4 pods of missiles per salvo.

With 100 such LAC Pods 50 per cavity of the LAC Pod layer main ship. Think of a large rotatory LAC launch system similar to the Japanese underground car parking parkades. see youtube if you don't know. The whole inner system in the cavity can reload the LAC at key points, pulling crew off into the ship proper and having repair bays for damaged ships etc...

This makes a ship with much more survivability and much bigger fully controlled Missile salvos. instead on an Invictus with 200 Apollo controlled missile salvos. You end up with a Whitehaven class Ship firing Apollo Salvos of 900/1800/2700/3600 missiles. let's be conservative and say 900. That is 450% of the Invictus class. Able to fire the missiles. The bigger the Salvo the better the chance of surviving. This ship also carries the ability to survive its own offensive punch. Unlike the Invictus.

Each LAC carries a full Katana CM/Viper chase tube array. Able to coordinate with the Mainship sensors and defend against incoming attacks.

In Larger fleets, Invictus can fire 200 times 50 10,000 missiles in full control. This Whitehaven class can fire fully controlled Salvo's of 45,000 missiles. And with 5,000 LAC defend against that many missiles as well.

50 Invictus could fire 'dumb uncontrolled' 450,000 plus missiles. But then 50 Whitehaven's could fire 180,000 missiles but we all know that dumb fired missiles are quite dumb.

50 Whitehaven could be fired at all engagement by 50 Invictus and never be hit. While 50 Invictus would be defending against 900 Apollo controlled missiles each. Even with 100 being Apollo and 200 being EW, that leaves 600 Attacking missiles each ship each salvo.

Now the 50 Invictus can add 50 CLAC but then 100 Whitehaven's can make the whole state of affairs even more lopsided. Twice the LAC and 900% of the missiles.

Whitehaven's, and Highlander 282's are the Answer to Pod layer CLAC combat.

I am only going to say this once. Lord Skimper are you a &^&*&($&& #&&$**^$# ^#^&& moron with a brain the size of a mazon(FYI a sub-atomic particle). That concept of yours has about as much chance of being practical or even remotely feasible or successful as I do of being able to flap my arms and fly to OZ by way of Barsoom with stops in Never-Never land and Cemmiria.