MA: Most Optimal Kinetic Strike Targets

But if you hit Beowulf, who do you frame?
Besides, the Derts need Beowulf to survive.
Hard to gloat when the loosers are a gas cloud.

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Crown Loyalist wrote:The only reasonable target is Beowulf.

There are no "reasonable" targets for the MAlign. The only way KEWs can be used "reasonably" is if the attacker controls the orbitals and the defenders refuse to surrender; that would require the MAlign to come out into the open and display their super-secret technology.

Second, Beowulf is the LAST place the MAlign would want to destroy. If Beowulf is destroyed, then the Detweilers can't show them, "I told you so." Nothing the MAlign does is "reasonable" -- or rational for that matter. Much of their long-term plan is based on a third-grade level tantrum about being restricted by the Beowulf Code.

Weird Harold wrote:

Crown Loyalist wrote:The only reasonable target is Beowulf.

There are no "reasonable" targets for the MAlign. The only way KEWs can be used "reasonably" is if the attacker controls the orbitals and the defenders refuse to surrender; that would require the MAlign to come out into the open and display their super-secret technology.

Second, Beowulf is the LAST place the MAlign would want to destroy. If Beowulf is destroyed, then the Detweilers can't show them, "I told you so." Nothing the MAlign does is "reasonable" -- or rational for that matter. Much of their long-term plan is based on a third-grade level tantrum about being restricted by the Beowulf Code.

Plus tha fact that if beowulf is destroyed, instead of breaking up the SL, the SL will be gunning for the MA.

The malign already has the GA looking for them, you DO NOT attack beowulf which will add the SL to it's enemy's list as well.

Switzerland would not have assassinated the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in 1914. Instead of WW1 being UK - France - Russia against Germany - Austria - Hungary it would have been UK - France - Russia - Germany - Austria - Hungary against Switzerland.

darrell wrote:Plus tha fact that if beowulf is destroyed, instead of breaking up the SL, the SL will be gunning for the MA.

Hardly. It will be the SLN that does it, following written orders from the Mandarins. Possibly a bit too enthusiastically, but sadly the CO will be killed in the ensuing fight.

darrell wrote:

Weird Harold wrote: quote="Crown Loyalist"]The only reasonable target is Beowulf.

There are no "reasonable" targets for the MAlign. The only way KEWs can be used "reasonably" is if the attacker controls the orbitals and the defenders refuse to surrender; that would require the MAlign to come out into the open and display their super-secret technology.

Second, Beowulf is the LAST place the MAlign would want to destroy. If Beowulf is destroyed, then the Detweilers can't show them, "I told you so." Nothing the MAlign does is "reasonable" -- or rational for that matter. Much of their long-term plan is based on a third-grade level tantrum about being restricted by the Beowulf Code.

Plus tha fact that if beowulf is destroyed, instead of breaking up the SL, the SL will be gunning for the MA.

The malign already has the GA looking for them, you DO NOT attack beowulf which will add the SL to it's enemy's list as well.

Switzerland would not have assassinated the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in 1914. Instead of WW1 being UK - France - Russia against Germany - Austria - Hungary it would have been UK - France - Russia - Germany - Austria - Hungary against Switzerland.[/quote]


You forgot a couple of countries in your WWI scenario. Also Austria and Hungry were not separate countries they were one country namely the Austrian Hungarian Empire. The countries you forgot were Italy, Greece and Japan for the allies and Serbia and Ottoman Empire. FYI Italy lost IIRC over 100,000 killed fighting in the Alps during the winter 14/15 and read up on the Gallipoli campaign and T.E. Lawrence for the Ottoman Empire.

saber964 wrote:FYI Italy lost IIRC over 100,000 killed fighting in the Alps during the winter 14/15 and read up on the Gallipoli campaign and T.E. Lawrence for the Ottoman Empire.

Italy entered the war on the side of the Allies because the British and French promised them the Tyrol, which they had been coveting since Unification.

The Alignment has only cared it is not technically guilty of an EE violation to keep somebody (particularly the SL) from getting interested or motivated to search them out because they committed an EE violation. Remember, Grayson and Manticore are already going to be searching long and hard to find out who hit their orbitals, getting the SL (or any body else) interested in finding the culprits (at this point the Mandarin's at least could not actualy care which is at best short sighted of them given the scope and technology of the attack) because it was an EE violation.

You will recall that the Alignment doesn't actual care how many Normals are going to be killed in the fighting and chaos of the events leading up to and then the breakup of the SL?

THEY DO NOT CARE.

Given that the GA now appears to be massivly changing the direction of the Alighment plans and truly screwing with all manner of Alignment's timetable, will there come a point where the Alignment will just go ahead and try to do more than just take out the governments of the major impediments?

Oyster Bay was designed and planned to cripple at least one major power in the orchestrated destruction of the SL and allow for the rise of the RF and implimentation of the Alignment's policies, plans, and control of the destiny of humanity. The original target seems to have been People's Republic of Haven but that got changed. Manticore didn't get taken over (how unsuporting and uncooperative of them) and the targets were changed on the fly were advanced to take out Manticore and Grayson's infrastuctue but the attack was both much earlier and much smaller than planned because of the timing and the tech imbalance.

What is to keep the Alignment from changeing the operational plan and timing again? Ok, Houdini has come off- so far- mostly to plan but there are loose ends although the Alignment doen't know about those yet. Given the track record of Manticore and the restored Republic of Haven, it is POSSIBLE that Mesa will actually become a threat to the Alignment as the surviving government (old and we presume new) and emerging Sr. officials (like the Peaceforce General) have to deal with realization that they were less than pawns and obviously expendable is someone else's plan.

So, run another early and preemptive strike on more than just orbital infrastructure of a number of systems/polities and include at least one EE level strike on "major" planets involved. Sure, use the Sharks and the 1st Lenny Dets that come off the yards if you can get them fast enough but at least the Sharks and probably the Ghosts and any other Spider Drive ships even if you have to strap the ordnance to the hulls. And, only one ship per system this time since you aren't going to wipe out the orbitals, you are going to throw a weapon at the planet. Manticore, Sphinx, Gryphon, Grayson, Sol. The Aldermani capital and at least one nodal headquarters, Erwhon, Haven and two or three major planets of RH, Beowulf, 6 or 7 other major SL systems that are actually at level (political/tech) to challange THE PLAN going forward. Leave out the dozen RF seed systems, they should be nominally "small" enough to not get hit in a strike on the primary systems of Haven, Manticore, Grayson, Aldermani Empire, Erwhon, and 5 major SL systems plus Sol.

Then the Alighment just crawls back under its rocks and keep running very clandestine survalience of the situation for probably 10 years (long enought to get the Lenny Detts and anything else in the pipeline ready) and then take another pass at hammering down the powerfull systems most likely to mess the the program

Brigade XO wrote:The Alignment has only cared it is not technically guilty of an EE violation to keep somebody (particularly the SL) from getting interested or motivated to search them out because they committed an EE violation. Remember, Grayson and Manticore are already going to be searching long and hard to find out who hit their orbitals, getting the SL (or any body else) interested in finding the culprits (at this point the Mandarin's at least could not actualy care which is at best short sighted of them given the scope and technology of the attack) because it was an EE violation.

You will recall that the Alignment doesn't actual care how many Normals are going to be killed in the fighting and chaos of the events leading up to and then the breakup of the SL?

THEY DO NOT CARE.

Given that the GA now appears to be massivly changing the direction of the Alighment plans and truly screwing with all manner of Alignment's timetable, will there come a point where the Alignment will just go ahead and try to do more than just take out the governments of the major impediments?

Oyster Bay was designed and planned to cripple at least one major power in the orchestrated destruction of the SL and allow for the rise of the RF and implimentation of the Alignment's policies, plans, and control of the destiny of humanity. The original target seems to have been People's Republic of Haven but that got changed. Manticore didn't get taken over (how unsuporting and uncooperative of them) and the targets were changed on the fly were advanced to take out Manticore and Grayson's infrastuctue but the attack was both much earlier and much smaller than planned because of the timing and the tech imbalance.

What is to keep the Alignment from changeing the operational plan and timing again? Ok, Houdini has come off- so far- mostly to plan but there are loose ends although the Alignment doen't know about those yet. Given the track record of Manticore and the restored Republic of Haven, it is POSSIBLE that Mesa will actually become a threat to the Alignment as the surviving government (old and we presume new) and emerging Sr. officials (like the Peaceforce General) have to deal with realization that they were less than pawns and obviously expendable is someone else's plan.

So, run another early and preemptive strike on more than just orbital infrastructure of a number of systems/polities and include at least one EE level strike on "major" planets involved. Sure, use the Sharks and the 1st Lenny Dets that come off the yards if you can get them fast enough but at least the Sharks and probably the Ghosts and any other Spider Drive ships even if you have to strap the ordnance to the hulls. And, only one ship per system this time since you aren't going to wipe out the orbitals, you are going to throw a weapon at the planet. Manticore, Sphinx, Gryphon, Grayson, Sol. The Aldermani capital and at least one nodal headquarters, Erwhon, Haven and two or three major planets of RH, Beowulf, 6 or 7 other major SL systems that are actually at level (political/tech) to challange THE PLAN going forward. Leave out the dozen RF seed systems, they should be nominally "small" enough to not get hit in a strike on the primary systems of Haven, Manticore, Grayson, Aldermani Empire, Erwhon, and 5 major SL systems plus Sol.

Then the Alighment just crawls back under its rocks and keep running very clandestine survalience of the situation for probably 10 years (long enought to get the Lenny Detts and anything else in the pipeline ready) and then take another pass at hammering down the powerfull systems most likely to mess the the program

The Yawata strike was not an EE violation, as none of the missiles were aimed at the planet.

Remember the aspects that the MA like in their plans.

Very little risk. An EE violation would have a very big risk in that it might cause the SL to join the GA against the MA instead of breaking up.

Misdirection. Who do they blame things on. The MA is a figmant of the GA's imagination.

My cracked crystal ball says that In the last book, once the lenny dets are finished, and the fact that everyone will have lots of new goodies, I can see the MA doing a full scale oyster bay against haven, beowulf, manticore and the andermanti.

I can also see the GA capturing at least one of the lenny dets with it's database intact. Now the GA knows where darius is and can finish the detwilers for good.

darrell wrote:I can also see the GA capturing at least one of the lenny dets with it's database intact. Now the GA knows where darius is and can finish the detwilers for good.

Just like capturing a few million RHN personnel and close to a hundred ships got them bolt hole, right?

kzt wrote:

darrell wrote:I can also see the GA capturing at least one of the lenny dets with it's database intact. Now the GA knows where darius is and can finish the detwilers for good.

Just like capturing a few million RHN personnel and close to a hundred ships got them bolt hole, right?

did you notice I said my crystal ball was cracked?

The vast majority of any lenny dets captured will have the location of Darius scrubbed, but if battle damage caused the grav pltes to fail on a spider drive ship running at 150G's the crew would be dead and unable to scrub the computers.

or what if some jr officer or sr enlisted had the location of darius on a hand comp? Either of the two methods would be an easy way to get the location of Darius.