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SL MDM
Post by Lord Skimper   » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:01 am

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We know the SL and MAlignment have CM boosted Missiles. With SL Tech a new missile could easily be a multi CM booster Missile with full size laser head. SL will need to improve the Pen aides or adopt a Box fire. Dumb but can't be confused.

CM missiles are much smaller than regular missiles with a 6.4MKm range and three CM impeller stages clustered together you would get 19.2MKm range use two and you get 38.4MKm range, more with ballistic phase and box firing on an area.

This assumes that a full missile is 41% larger than a CM, double the size and four can be clustered together.

Slow perhaps, long ranged. If you can have them fire one after the other rather than all in one. You could have 3-4 or 6-8 stages. Makes the stages even more effective. Use the 130,000 G 3.2MKm ranged sections mixed in and you get rapidly reconfiguring salvo's until the jammers kick in and they go into box fire mode.

Clustered 3-4 6.4MKm and 3.2MKm sections slow and fast, Box firing final stage with large Weapon heads and small CM clustered stages. 3 at 3.2 would be 9.6MKm make one 6.4MKm and that increases to 12.8MKm. with four clusters you're at 2x2 6.4+12.8=19.2MKm. with Ballistic phases your range is optionally huge. Not all missiles need the same sets of accelerations or ranges. Nor do they need the same Ballistic sections. One could control many more missiles with varied Ballistic phases and different activations.

Missiles could be slow or fast or slow and fast.
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Re: SL MDM
Post by alaust   » Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:15 pm

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must be slow and fast
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Post by Kytheros   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:40 am

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... First stage of a Cataphract variant is the size smaller Javelin(I think) standard shipkiller missile.

And, yeah, there's always been the possibility of making extra long missiles for extended range. The problem is, the missile winds up being so long that it's impractical as a shipboard weapon, and basically has to be pod launched from supersized pods.


Also, the range math is wrong. You get further on the additional stages because when they light off, they're no longer at rest, as they retain the velocity imparted by the prior stage(s).
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Re: SL MDM
Post by Lord Skimper   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:39 am

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wasn't thinking of making the segments longer but clustering the capacitors together in bundles. Perhaps if each has it's own nodes then stagger them. This keeps the missiles shorter and able to fit in the larger tube, as we know large tubes can fire smaller missiles. Makes one wonder why broadside tubes don't fire CM's?
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Re: SL MDM
Post by Duckk   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:44 am

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Go reread House of Steel. You cannot just randomly shove impeller rings together and expect them to work. Manticore got the MDM concept working because it sunk in a massive amount of work to develop the gravitic baffle which protects the node rings from affecting each other. Since neither the Solarian League nor the Mesan Alignment have cracked the secret of the baffle yet, they have to resort to sheer physical separation. That's why the Cataphract is a massive kludge. It is literally a CM strapped to the front of a standard shipkiller body. You cannot shrink that any further unless you have the baffle, at which point you have genuine MDMs.
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Re: SL MDM
Post by saber964   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:30 pm

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IIRC during the Battle of Torch, Rozak & CO were surprised as bell by the dual speed nature of the Cataphract that the PNE used. IIRC it was a regular speed that sprinted during the final phase.
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Post by Jonathan_S   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:39 pm

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saber964 wrote:IIRC during the Battle of Torch, Rozak & CO were surprised as bell by the dual speed nature of the Cataphract that the PNE used. IIRC it was a regular speed that sprinted during the final phase.

It did. The various descriptions are clear that the initial stage matched the accel profile of the SLN Javelin anti-ship missile (clearly at the normal 50% power setting), then the later stage, based off a CM drive accelerated hard for the extra range.

Though as someone pointed out in another thread you actually get more range if you'd assembled the stages in reverse order. Though I'm not sure if their CM drive could have handled the entire Rube Goldberg lash up.
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Post by kzt   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:15 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Though as someone pointed out in another thread you actually get more range if you'd assembled the stages in reverse order. Though I'm not sure if their CM drive could have handled the entire Rube Goldberg lash up.

The whole design approach David describes is pretty absurd. It means you have to design and test a new seeker and new warhead designed to fit a CM, which means a lot less space for the components. Given that the main missile already had a well tested warhead and seeker it's like gold plating a toilet.
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Post by darrell   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:16 pm

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:Though as someone pointed out in another thread you actually get more range if you'd assembled the stages in reverse order. Though I'm not sure if their CM drive could have handled the entire Rube Goldberg lash up.

The whole design approach David describes is pretty absurd. It means you have to design and test a new seeker and new warhead designed to fit a CM, which means a lot less space for the components. Given that the main missile already had a well tested warhead and seeker it's like gold plating a toilet.


The second stage dosen't have to be the same size as a CM.

for example, A SUV and a panel van would use the same engine, power train and frame, but different chassis that are different sizes would be mounted to the frame.

And it doesn't have to even go that far. I am not aware of anywhere that says the cataphract uses a CM body or frame, just the drive. Just like they put the same engine into a UPS delivery truck that they do an SUV, the frames could be totally different.

If they use a combined fram for both drives, the next step would be to develop a full dual drive missile. The ring for one drive would be in the rear, the other in the front.
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Post by Relax   » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:17 pm

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:Though as someone pointed out in another thread you actually get more range if you'd assembled the stages in reverse order. Though I'm not sure if their CM drive could have handled the entire Rube Goldberg lash up.

The whole design approach David describes is pretty absurd. It means you have to design and test a new seeker and new warhead designed to fit a CM, which means a lot less space for the components. Given that the main missile already had a well tested warhead and seeker it's like gold plating a toilet.


Uh, been paying attention lately? The Military buys gold plated toilets... minus the gold...
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