Just for the Halibut... What of the RF post GA victory

Quite likely longer than that, since League industry is, even at its best, less efficient than Manticore's.

SharkHunter wrote:Very quick snip...

Quite likely longer than that, since League industry is, even at its best, less efficient than Manticore's.

Was. Keep in mind that Manticore's warship industry just got nuked by Oyster Bay into 3rd world state as far as the Honorverse goes. Which is why the Detweilers about pooped bricks when Haven signed up to help. I imagine they figured that Beowulf would stick with the RMN, but...

SharkHunter wrote:Very quick snip...

Quite likely longer than that, since League industry is, even at its best, less efficient than Manticore's.

Was. Keep in mind that Manticore's warship industry just got nuked by Oyster Bay into 3rd world state as far as the Honorverse goes. Which is why the Detweilers about pooped bricks when Haven signed up to help. I imagine they figured that Beowulf would stick with the RMN, but...

kzt wrote:Nah, Manticore will have their full industrial production again running full tilt in a few years starting from nothing, while will obviously take decades for anyone who wants to build a military shipyard starting with a roughly comparable technology level, millions of trained workers and a huge modern industrial base. Because reasons.

Kytheros wrote:

kzt wrote:Very quick snip...
Quite likely longer than that, since League industry is, even at its best, less efficient than Manticore's.

Sharkhunter wrote: Was. Keep in mind that Manticore's warship industry just got nuked by Oyster Bay into 3rd world state as far as the Honorverse goes. Which is why the Detweilers about pooped bricks when Haven signed up to help. I imagine they figured that Beowulf would stick with the RMN, but...

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Manticoran industrial superiority was more than just the physical infrastructure. It was the education, the mindset, etc. At least, per Detweiler thinking about and comparing Darius (better than nearly anywhere in the League) to not being as good as Manticore, but replicating the Manticoran edge would have been impossible for Darius.

SharkHunter wrote:--snipping--

Kytheros wrote:Manticoran industrial superiority was more than just the physical infrastructure. It was the education, the mindset, etc. At least, per Detweiler thinking about and comparing Darius (better than nearly anywhere in the League) to not being as good as Manticore, but

replicating the Manticoran edge would have been impossible for Darius.

Agreement on nearly all points and a well done, well thought out response. Like yourself even in this fictonal univers I don't believe the SL would ever match Manticore because of mindset, innovation and the "stored tech knowledge" saved when Weyland evacuated.

But I also believe that David was very careful to position Manticore's strength as coming from a well deserved moral high ground. That's the win which Haven joined to, that Maya and Erewhon respect, which let 10th Fleet literally attack parts of the SL and SL controlled territory, annex Talbot, and all of the parties know they are joining an entity that does it's (imperfect but pretty damn good) best to practice what it preaches.

Mission of Honor wrote: “The damage to the dispersed orbital yards is almost as bad. At this moment, my best figures are that fifteen of them—none of which had units under construction—are undamaged, and another eight are probably repairable, although the ships under construction have been so badly damaged we’re probably going to have to break them up and start over rather than trying to repair and complete them.
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That means that what we have in commission and working up at Trevor’s Star now is all we’re going to have for at least two T-years. For any capital ships, the delay will be more like four T-years. Minimum.”
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“What about the repair facilities in Trevor’s Star, Ham?” Prime Minister Grantville asked quietly, and White Haven looked at his brother.
“That’s still intact,” he admitted, “and it’s going to play a huge part in regenerating yard capacity within the time frame I just mentioned, Willie. But it’s primarily repair capacity. It was never intended for sustained, high-volume component production, so it’s going to require a lot of modification before it can really make its presence felt. And, more importantly, we’re going to have to divert a hell of a lot of its potential capacity to something we’re going to need even worse.”
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At this time, I have no firm estimate for how long it’s going to take to get Trevor’s Star up for missile production—we’re still inventorying our mobile repair and construction capabilities, and I’m sure some of them will help—but I’ll be extraordinarily surprised if we can get new missile lines into production in less than ten T-months.
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We’re also making plans to tow the Junction industrial platforms back into the inner system,
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Somehow we’re going to have to prioritize the workers we have left between essential construction tasks and training an entirely new workforce.”
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That means an awful lot of manufactured goods we used to be exporting aren’t going to be available now. That accounts for a significant percentage of our total carrying trade—not to mention an enormous chunk of the Old Star Kingdom’s Gross System Product. And as our industrial exports drop, the resultant drop in shipping’s also going to have at least some effect on our Junction fees.

George J. Smith wrote:I would assume that with the return of the Grendelsbane workers, Manticore would be able to operate some of the 15 slips that were not damaged, given the stated delay for the capital ships I also assume that none of the 15 slips were capable of building capital ships.

Taking in to consideration the number of RMN capital ships that were working up at Trevor's star, plus the capital ships from Haven, I think Manticore would be able to field quite a few sub-wallers within a relatively short (2 years) time, so things are not as bleak as they seem to be for the GA.

munroburton wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:I would assume that with the return of the Grendelsbane workers, Manticore would be able to operate some of the 15 slips that were not damaged, given the stated delay for the capital ships I also assume that none of the 15 slips were capable of building capital ships.

Taking in to consideration the number of RMN capital ships that were working up at Trevor's star, plus the capital ships from Haven, I think Manticore would be able to field quite a few sub-wallers within a relatively short (2 years) time, so things are not as bleak as they seem to be for the GA.

Unfortunately, the dispersed yards are little more than assembly locations - floating scaffolding which holds the parts of a ship under construction together until it is completed. They were supplied with everything they required from the stations or other dedicated manufacturing platforms. Without those, the slips are not very useful, although they certainly can still be used once new sources of parts are established.

I don't see things as 'bleak' for the GA. The situation was indeed bleak for Manticore and Grayson, but Haven joining them totally reversed their situation.

darrell wrote:F) If it holds together, The SL will take at least 5 years to match what they know of GA technology. It will take them even longer to match Apollo, not to mention anything else that the GA can come up with in the next few years.

Loren Pechtel wrote:
And note that the SL actually knows very little of the GA tech. They know of two-stage missiles (but don't realize they're shipboard missiles), that GA EW shreds their defenses and that it appears they have FTL-comm stealthy recon drones.

They have no idea of some of the essential but non-obvious developments such as the micro fusion plants without which much of that advanced tech can't be powered.

They also don't know GA missiles can have ballistic components before launch or between stages--without which the stacked salvos can't be done, thus causing them to seriously underestimate GA salvo size.