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Re: Title of Next book
Post by SHV   » Tue May 24, 2016 11:57 am

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"As He died to make men holy, let us fight to make men free" OK, who died? and how did he make men holy?"
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The original lyrics by Julia Ward Howe and what I learned in elementary school 65+ years ago were: "As he died to make men holy, let us DIE to make men free..."

I think it was in the 60s, the concept of dying for freedom was too traumatic for children, so "die" was changed to live.

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Re: Title of Next book
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Tue May 24, 2016 3:26 pm

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SHV wrote:"As He died to make men holy, let us fight to make men free" OK, who died? and how did he make men holy?"
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The original lyrics by Julia Ward Howe and what I learned in elementary school 65+ years ago were: "As he died to make men holy, let us DIE to make men free..."

I think it was in the 60s, the concept of dying for freedom was too traumatic for children, so "die" was changed to live.

Steve


Presumably the He is who was mentioned in the first verse... Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

Kind of funky wording... mine eyes but... what the heck
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Louis R   » Wed May 25, 2016 4:56 pm

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Actually, for the hymn, I'm quite aware of that.

The question was asked in the context of using these verses as titles for Safehold books. Christ doesn't figure in those, nor will He, so who and what might they usefully refer to? People were throwing out their favourite hymn extracts, without bothering to think about their significance in the context of the book itself. Something that it's pretty clear Himself _has_ been doing.

fallsfromtrees wrote:
Louis R wrote:
"As He died to make men holy, let us fight to make men free" OK, who died? and how did he make men holy?


Louis R - The previous two lines to the one quoted are:
"In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me."

So the answer to your question is actually in the previous two lines.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Randomiser   » Mon May 30, 2016 6:43 am

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saber964 wrote:Well considering the fact that the title of the book is At The Sign of Triumph. But the very next phrase is "Satan doth flee". Now who do you think Satan is, and why do you think he is fleeing?


Actually, the next line is 'Satan's host doth flee'. Sounds like some army is going to get routed! Any guesses which one? :twisted:

RFC wouldn't be that literal, would he? :twisted:
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by saber964   » Mon May 30, 2016 5:03 pm

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Randomiser wrote:
saber964 wrote:Well considering the fact that the title of the book is At The Sign of Triumph. But the very next phrase is "Satan doth flee". Now who do you think Satan is, and why do you think he is fleeing?


Actually, the next line is 'Satan's host doth flee'. Sounds like some army is going to get routed! Any guesses which one? :twisted:

RFC wouldn't be that literal, would he? :twisted:



Are you kidding me, RFC could have more twists than pretzel factory in this book.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Tue May 31, 2016 9:49 am

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Are you kidding me, RFC could have more twists than pretzel factory in this book.[/quote]

I like that "more twists than a pretzel factory"... I have been saying "a plate of spaghetti or a multi term congressman" but no one seem to believe that spaghetti is twisty
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Peter2   » Tue May 31, 2016 9:55 am

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C. O. Thompson wrote:



Are you kidding me, RFC could have more twists than pretzel factory in this book.[/quote]

I like that "more twists than a pretzel factory"... I have been saying "a plate of spaghetti or a multi term congressman" but no one seem to believe that spaghetti is twisty[/quote]

I remember reading in a book years ago (can't remember the title) ". . . more twists and turns than a nest of cobras . . ."
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by belvedere   » Tue May 31, 2016 2:06 pm

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Why nobody took into account the fact that Zhaspahr Clyntahn could be the dead?
Actually being Grand Inquisitor he would be martyr, and his dead (or some divine action) would inaugurate a massive attack that could save the temple or freeze the war for 20 yr.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by chrisd   » Tue May 31, 2016 2:50 pm

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elwnyc wrote:And after At the Sign of Triumph...if there is another one...A phrase from the hymn that begins "Once to every man and nation, comes the moment to decide; In the strife of truth with falsehood, for the good or evil side."

Though really, that's been the theme of the whole series, hasn't it?

And it's got a wonderful, rolling tune "Ton y Botel" which has a great, striding "pedal" line for the organist.
(and it's in "four flats" or F minor)

One of my favourites
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Tue May 31, 2016 3:49 pm

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belvedere wrote:Why nobody took into account the fact that Zhaspahr Clyntahn could be the dead?
Actually being Grand Inquisitor he would be martyr, and his dead (or some divine action) would inaugurate a massive attack that could save the temple or freeze the war for 20 yr.


I had thought of that and hope that he strokes out at the at the annual address to the vicars. It would be FANTASTIC if he said something like... If I am not telling the truth may God strike me dead :twisted:
I guess this shows the difference between David and me... I am sure he has some other plan in mind.
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