A question about the battle of Saltash

Well if we start giving the old WWII battlewagons an escorting AA destroyer, for 'balance' the modern DD would also likely have the CVBG it's attached to, so probably better to just keep it to the 1v1.

Although could you imagine one of those old battlewagons rebuilt to modern standards though

Swap the main guns for railguns, swap all MG AA for modern systems (I only know of Phalanx, but whatever modern systems both gun and missile), couple nuclear kettles for power like the carriers, and modern smelting to redo their armor

it'd take one look at anything like a Burke, giggle, sink it, and continue on its way like a Hexapuma after dealing with an unarmed tourist.

But that's starting into a discussion that should be on some Off-Topic board rather than here :unsure:

Somtaaw wrote:Well if we start giving the old WWII battlewagons an escorting AA destroyer, for 'balance' the modern DD would also likely have the CVBG it's attached to, so probably better to just keep it to the 1v1.

Although could you imagine one of those old battlewagons rebuilt to modern standards though

Swap the main guns for railguns, swap all MG AA for modern systems (I only know of Phalanx, but whatever modern systems both gun and missile), couple nuclear kettles for power like the carriers, and modern smelting to redo their armor

it'd take one look at anything like a Burke, giggle, sink it, and continue on its way like a Hexapuma after dealing with an unarmed tourist.

But that's starting into a discussion that should be on some Off-Topic board rather than here :unsure:

Check out the Naval Ops games(never released outside Japan, though available for download with emulators). Yes, the more advanced hulls and components are... extremely implausible, but whew. The Catamaran-style battleship is a sight to behold.

Somtaaw wrote:

Fox2! wrote:The Iowas have seven and a half inches of armor on their decks, at least over the parts anyone cared about (propulsion, magazines, etc) and 14 inches on the conning tower. A 500 lb non-AP warhead will just result in the traditional call, "Sweepers, man your brooms!" after a 2000 lb HE round puts your DD in the arms of Davy Jones

And that assumes the Harpoon gets through the gantlet of Sea-Sparrows and CIWS that awaits it.

I don't think old WWII battlewagons had Sea Sparrows and CIWS to stop a Harpoon. They had to physically man their guns and muscle-point them at aircraft. There were enough guns, than there's a chance one of them might get lucky and intercept, but Harpoons also travel one helluva lot faster than the aircraft WWII battleships would encounter.

Yeah. The point defense is going to be manually-aimed guns. The Harpoon is basically a superior kamikaze as it's coming in much faster and until the final pop-up maneuver, much lower. The AAA gunners won't even know it's out there until it does it's pop-up. I would not expect many to be intercepted.

Now, all the vital targets are hard enough the missile won't kill them. The ones that don't hit something vital, though, will peck away at the ship. Eventually I would expect it to succumb to fire.

1. Go EMCON
2. Crank on 30 plus knots and charge the DD.
3. At ~ 20 nm range, fire 6 main battery rounds at said DD.
4. Sweepers, man your brooms.
5. Have the MA bring the "additional duty" crew around with chippers and paint to pretty things up.

Somtaaw wrote:

Fox2! wrote:The Iowas have seven and a half inches of armor on their decks, at least over the parts anyone cared about (propulsion, magazines, etc) and 14 inches on the conning tower. A 500 lb non-AP warhead will just result in the traditional call, "Sweepers, man your brooms!" after a 2000 lb HE round puts your DD in the arms of Davy Jones

And that assumes the Harpoon gets through the gantlet of Sea-Sparrows and CIWS that awaits it.

I don't think old WWII battlewagons had Sea Sparrows and CIWS to stop a Harpoon. They had to physically man their guns and muscle-point them at aircraft. There were enough guns, than there's a chance one of them might get lucky and intercept, but Harpoons also travel one helluva lot faster than the aircraft WWII battleships would encounter.

I am coming to this thread late but the Iowa's did have CIWS installed when activated in the 80's. Each carried 4 mounts and harpoons were added to increase the ships reach. They removed 4 of the twin 5" mounts if I remember correctly to make room. Several analysts noted in the late 80's the only way to hurt an Iowa BB with missiles was to overwhelm the screen of ships around it and then the CIWS stations mounted on it. Then, you have to punch through armor plate designed to shrug off impacts of 1000lb to 3000lb shells traveling faster than Mach 1.5.