noblehunter wrote:And that information is: if they have anything heavier than a CA or they only have lighter units and you don't have SDs, run or surrender immediately.
Do we know if Rolands can take out Solly SDs? It might shorten the information just to: run or surrender.
Loren Pechtel wrote:They might not be able to one on one but that's more a matter of magazine size than anything else.
We saw that Sollie missile defense is basically ineffective against two-stage missiles at this point. Mantie warheads on even light missiles are at least capital-ship strength by Sollie standards.
The Mantie EW takes down a wave of countermissiles and there isn't time for another shot, the countermissiles do basically nothing regardless of the number fired. It all comes down to the laser clusters (and not all Sollie SDs even have them!) and now that their EW has been totally compromised even they don't do much.
Thus it comes down to whether the SD is destroyed before the Roland's magazines run out. I would expect the answer to be yes but by no means would I call it certain.
darrell wrote:Here is my logical guess: (an organized way to go wrong with confidence)
It takes on the order of 200 capital ship missiles hitting a target to mission kill a SD. Mk-16 missile warheads are not as powerful as capital ship missile warheads so would need at a guess 500 Mk-16 hits.
At a guess, SL SD point defense could probably handle 25-50 MK-16 warheads.
5-rolands would give two double broadside salvo's of 120 missiles, of which there will be 15 dazzlers, 15 dragons teeth and 90 attack missiles. The SD would take out 36, meaning that 54 would hit, so would need on average about 9 salvo's to kill a solly SD, using up most of its ammo.
There is no kill like overkill:
Italics are the author's, boldface and underlined text is my emphasis.Mission of Honor, Chapter 22 wrote:Of the 12,288 standard Mark 23s in that stupendous initial launch, fully one quarter—just over three thousand—were EW platforms. The remaining nine thousand plus were distributed over twenty-three of Sandra Crandall’s seventy-one superdreadnoughts. Experience against the Republic of Haven indicated that two hundred to two hundred and fifty Mark 23 hits would destroy—or mission-kill, at least—even the latest Havenite SD(P) . . . which was why Fire Plan Alpha had allocated four hundred missiles to each of its targets.
***Snip***
Of the ninety-two hundred Mark 23 attack birds in Aivars Terekhov’s Alpha launch, Sandra Crandall’s task force managed to stop exactly one thousand and seven. The other 8,209 got through.
Target allocation for the first volley at Spindle was 23 SLN SDs. Only 9 SLN SDs survived as hulks--the rest were turned into expanding clouds of plasma and debris. If we assume that all the missiles that were stopped were intercepted solely by the SDs that were targeted (completely ignoring the efforts of all the rest of the SDs as well as the screen), then the targeted SLN SDs intercepted on average between 43 and 44 missiles.
A SLN Scientist is NOT equivalent to a modern RHN SD(P). It probably isn't even equivalent to an older model PRN DN.
In terms of tonnage the Scientist is approximately equal to the RMN DN Bellerophon class.
In terms of combat capability (offensive & defensive weapons fit, fire control and ECM capability) as well as design {armoring, cofferdam and compartmentalization layout} the Scientist is not even remotely in the same class.
It's better than a RHN BB, but probably inferior to even a PRN DN.
As MaxxQ pointed out, the Mark 16 Mod G is less powerful than the Mark 23. However, it is more powerful than the heaviest SLN (non-pod launched) capital missiles.