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by DDHvi
» Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:29 pm
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If a Christian is someone who trusts Christ enough to seek to do what He would want, then most "Christian"s should be called CINOs, just as "republican"s who don't follow the basic ideas of the party are called RINOs.
We were warned that this would be the case, by Jesus the Christ himself.  The primary question is not whether religion is true, but whether some particular religion is true. This is why, in a cosmos where (for only one example) water expands when freezing, which is just one requirement for a life bearing planet, I cannot accept Atheism. Skepticism, provided it provides testable details, is welcome.  Douglas Hvistendahl
Retired technical nerd ddhviste@drtel.net Dumb mistakes are very irritating. Smart mistakes go on forever Unless you test your assumptions! |
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by Annachie
» Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:40 am
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To put ISIS in a realistic light, it's more likely that the aparently ISIS free Punjab area that will kill us.
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by thinkstoomuch
» Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:10 am
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Putting this here just for some perspective. I find it particularly disgusting that something like this can happen in "modern" times.
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by biochem
» Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:08 am
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We should all interpret the Bible with humbleness. The Bible is the true inerrant word of God as written by divinely inspired authors and compiled by divinely inspired editors and is perfect when it is interpreted correctly in the manner in which God intended it to be interpreted including which statements God intended to be interpreted as literal fact and which statements God intended to be interpreted as metaphor. The last caveat (when it is interpreted correctly in the manner in which God intended it to be interpreted) is where the errors to which humanity is so prone to creep in. People project their own desires onto the Bible and often misinterpret it in support of their own biases. No human interprets the Bible 100% correctly and there is a 100% chance that all of us personally are interpreting some things incorrectly. A humble Christian accepts that fact and recognizes their own fallibility. However this is where human ego has caused a great deal of sorrow over the centuries.
Why humans spend so much time arguing over Genesis and Revelations - two books for which humans are clearly having trouble interpreting, I don't know. While those books are important and God arranged for them to be included in the Bible for a reason, it seems at times as if those books were the only 2 books of the Bible to exist. Yet everyone ignores the 4 most important books: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. When is the last time you read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in their entirety? Not just quotes here and there but the whole set of books. Tenshinai - try reading these 4 books, each and every word. Daryl - Human being have been granted free will. That includes the free will to screw up badly. Some of the individuals running these "schools" were well-intentioned Christians (beat the sin out of them), making a monumental screw up. Others (the rapists) were evil minions of Satan masquerading as Christian. Not all of those who claim to be Christian are. And unfortunately we Christians often fail in our due diligence. None of us are perfect. Christians aren't any less prone to fallibility. If we listen to God he will guide us but how often does our own ego drive us to ignore what he is trying to tell us? |
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by ksandgren
» Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:29 pm
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[quote="biochem"]... The Bible is the true inerrant word of God as written by divinely inspired authors and compiled by divinely inspired editors and is perfect when it is interpreted correctly in the manner in which God intended it to be interpreted including which statements God intended to be interpreted as literal fact and which statements God intended to be interpreted as metaphor. [unquote]
This statement is true to most evangelicals and I think to the Southern Baptist convention. It is not true to most other Christians - whether they be Anglican, Catholic, Lutheran, LDS, or other group. Its falsity is one reason there are so many different publications of the bible - and they do NOT agree over a number of important points. For all the renaissance English and missing newly recovered material, I still use the King James version because it is the only one where I know the translators only goal was to bring to the masses God's word. If I compare it to the NIV or even the RSV there are a number of deliberate changes meant not only to update the material's. English, but to incorporate a sects desire that the Bible state exactly what They want it to in full expectation that it is what God also wanted, often a false assumption. When the Jehovah Witnesses come to my door, I am respectful of their dedication but comparing their Bible to mine leaves no doubt that they are propagating error (check their version of Amos to anybody else's). |
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by DDHvi
» Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:50 pm
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I still recall the first time I met a JW. I knew nothing about them, but insisted on looking up each verse they presented, and read out loud the verses from one before through the verse after, emphasizing each place there was a disagreement with their interpretation. In any reasoned communication, context counts Douglas Hvistendahl
Retired technical nerd ddhviste@drtel.net Dumb mistakes are very irritating. Smart mistakes go on forever Unless you test your assumptions! |
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by Tenshinai
» Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:44 am
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Why ever should we be that stupid? Especially when we have plenty of knowledge about just how much has been altered, and sometimes even for what petty reasons such alterations were made?
Ah yes, so why aren´t you reading it in original language then? You know, like the koran requires to be proper? Or any of the other religious texts written by divinely inspired authors etc etc yada yada...  Because obviously, only the text YOU believe to be written by "divinely inspired authors" really were, all the others were just claiming it, right? The lack of objectivity and reason is glaring. |
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by Daryl
» Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:38 pm
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"True inerrant word of god"?
Thus the bits sbout stoning adulterous women, having drunken sons slaughtered by the guards at the city gates, and a whole lot of other barbaric practices that mirror sharia law should be enforced? What about the earlier texts that mentioned Yahweh's wife, that were conveniently dropped as the jewish then kristian religions became more patriarchal? As to your mentioning what happened to me at a religious school, it wasn't a mix of over zealous good people and satan's minions, it was simply bullies who were drawn to an environment where they could impose their will on those too small to resist. |
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by Imaginos1892
» Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:53 pm
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Once again, you ignore what I write in order to rant about things I never wrote and do not believe. Are you really incapable of understanding a few sentences written in simple English? Based on no evidence, the True Believers claim that their gods exist, and anybody who disagrees with them is damned. Based on no evidence, you claim that gods do not exist, and anybody who disagrees with you is delusional. You are every bit as arrogant and obnoxious about your beliefs as they are about theirs. Based on no evidence, I make no claims at all, and observe that it is irrational to believe anything without facts. This sends you into a towering snit. You misunderstand what I write, misrepresent what I believe, and attempt to ridicule me based on your own bullshit which you falsely attribute to me. I find this irritating, and will continue to call you out for it. ------------------- If you are wrong, finding a bunch of people who agree with you does not make you right; it just means you have company. |
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by Daryl
» Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:26 pm
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I'm intrigued ksandgren.
Out of all the sacred texts ever written on every religion, how do you know that the King James version of the kristian bible is the real deal, and how do you know absolutely that "the translators only goal was to bring to the masses God's word"? Why were those translators (presumably male chaste monks living in seclusion) the only ones with no agenda? I really don't mean any offence when I ask this but, did god come to you in a dream or a daytime vision and tell you that was her preferred version of events? Or was it a preacher in whatever religious group you belong to? |
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