HMS Fearless

George J. Smith wrote:I would think that without ships to be crewed there would be no point in accelerating the curriculum any further, in fact I would expect the curriculum to be returned to its previous longer time period.

I doubt that they will push the officer curriculum back to four years.

1.) They have always been short of officers. this might be a chance for them to get caught up, except for one thing:

2.) They will be building and crewing lots of LAC's for system security and other purposes, and each LAC requires lots of officers.

darrell wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:I would think that without ships to be crewed there would be no point in accelerating the curriculum any further, in fact I would expect the curriculum to be returned to its previous longer time period.

I doubt that they will push the officer curriculum back to four years.

1.) They have always been short of officers. this might be a chance for them to get caught up, except for one thing:

2.) They will be building and crewing lots of LAC's for system security and other purposes, and each LAC requires lots of officers.

They need the academy graduates to go forth and free up all the experienced people in the fleet with yard dog time in their personnel files, so those experienced people can then take charge of the new production programs.

There are an awful lot of empty shoes to fill.

munroburton wrote:[quote="Darrell]

I doubt that they will push the officer curriculum back to four years.

1.) They have always been short of officers. this might be a chance for them to get caught up, except for one thing:

2.) They will be building and crewing lots of LAC's for system security and other purposes, and each LAC requires lots of officers.[/quote]

They need the academy graduates to go forth and free up all the experienced people in the fleet with yard dog time in their personnel files, so those experienced people can then take charge of the new production programs.

There are an awful lot of empty shoes to fill.[/quote]

Good point.

I agree that Manticore is, or has been recently pushing the formation of LAC Wings, for fairly clear reasons. One is the use of LACs in every kind of defence from missle defence of Home Fleet, CLACs as major contributing factor in raiding and defending forces, and then for the depth of force for the LACOON II taking of wormholes. And then there is adding a Wing of LACs to each of the 16 systems in Talbott. If you average LAC Wing may be 8 squadrons of 12, and you have at least 1 officers per LAC that is over 1500 officers just for the LACs being sent to Talbott, not counting the command and logistic TO you will need. Sure, you will be starting to integrate people from the local SDFs as soon a practical with training and experience but that is going to take time.
Sure, Mike grabbed any of the CLACs and their Wings (who would have been at least partialy trained and who were already formed) that had come into Talbot Quadrant and not already been on their way to deliver their loads to various systems, but that just adds to the new shortage of LACs.
There is the who question of where you are going to get the LACs from since anything working up out of the three major stations and any non-mobile platforms subjected to the Oyster Bay raids are gone along with all the production facilities at Manticore and Grayson.

Yes, they are tiny compaired to a DD and they don't have a hyperspace drive, but they require all sorts of other equipmente of a modern Manticore or Grayson LAC and they aren't going to get all of that basic manufacturing equipment and production lines (up to and including a couple of LAC and LAC weapons) up and running much before the component lines for everthing else they need.

Certainly they could try to bring in RHN LACs in the sort term but then they have training challanges and everything else that goes along with using somebody else's equipment. Short term they could also transfer RHN LAC groups or wings with CLACs to cover specific places and support the LACs (since they would have the CLAC as mother ship and that could be resupplied from Haven in whatever supply line you would have to construct.

Details, we need details !!!!!!

Weird Harold wrote:

saber964 wrote: quote="Weird Harold"]Interestingly, Abigail should have sufficient seniority and experience to get her first ship at about the same time as Rachel Mayhew and Hipper are ready for a middy cruise. Wouldn't Abigail's first command (a Grayson destroyer or light cruiser) and Rachel's middy cruise being combined cause a few apoplectic fits in the keys?

Nope Rachel and Hipper will be departing for there middie cruise within the next six months.

I haven't double checked the timing, but that would mean Saganami Island's curriculum has been cut way more than the text indicates. The Honorverse Wiki says Rachel entered the academy in 1920 PD and A Rising Thunder ends July 1922 and Shadow of Freedom ends in Aug 1922. Rachel and Hipper should have at least a year and possible two before their middy cruise. (Depends on if peace with Haven pushes things back to four years.)

Even so, Abigail isn't far from being ready for a destroyer of her own, so another six months might be enough.[/quote]


The wikis maybe wrong IIRC in At all Costs Rachel and Hipper are getting ready to depart shortly after Howard Clinckscales funeral in late 1919 PD and probably went with Aunt Honor to the SKM.

cthia wrote:But Abigail would be overqualified for some ships. As Honor was. Honor's first ship should've been bigger.

She could've had a V8.

Honor's second ship should have been bigger or at least newer. Her first ship couldn't have been bigger without throwing the reg book out the airlock because she hadn't faced the Crusher yet. CL Fearless was her second command not her first.

At the begining of OBS they list honor's path to command. There is aparantly two courses that an officer needs to pass Her record was:

1. her first command, an 11K ton LAC that just had a number, not a name.

2. Executive officer.

3. TO of a SD.

4. Quote OBS: """And then—finally!—the coveted commanding officer's course"""

5. CO of destroyer hawkwing.

6. The ATC. Quote OBS: """When she'd been given Hawkwing, she'd known two months in advance; this time, she'd been literally snatched out of the ATC graduation ceremonies and hustled off to Admiral Courvosier's office with no warning at all."""

7. Fearless, her first cruiser.

Guys, gather around the holographic fireplace in Dempseys.

This is just bar talk - beer, peanuts, pretzels, pizza. I'm really counting on Fearless, in whatever class of ship to be instrumental in the upcoming battle with the MAlign. And I don't want it to be business as usual for the GA. (Well, for the RMN. It never has been for Haven.)

I'd like for everything that the books have taught, to be employed in the upcoming battles with the MAlign. All of the strategies and tacts used by Honor, Theisman, Truman, Henke, Alexander etc., which are well studied by all involved now to be utilized in the upcoming kerfuffle with the Mesans. I want to hear lots of "We should take a page out of "X's" book when ....

It'd be nice if Honor... "Communications are out, but I have a good idea the bright CO of that fleet over there will recognize exactly what I'm about to do."

cthia wrote:Guys, gather around the holographic fireplace in Dempseys.

This is just bar talk - beer, peanuts, pretzels, pizza. I'm really counting on Fearless, in whatever class of ship to be instrumental in the upcoming battle with the MAlign. And I don't want it to be business as usual for the GA. (Well, for the RMN. It never has been for Haven.)

I'd like for everything that the books have taught, to be employed in the upcoming battles with the MAlign. All of the strategies and tacts used by Honor, Theisman, Truman, Henke, Alexander etc., which are well studied by all involved now to be utilized in the upcoming kerfuffle with the Mesans. I want to hear lots of "We should take a page out of "X's" book when ....

It'd be nice if Honor... "Communications are out, but I have a good idea the bright CO of that fleet over there will recognize exactly what I'm about to do."

And that bright CO of which she refers - whose name shall remain nameless, but not whose sex - is also flying her flag aboard the new and improved Fearless.

And yes, I'm leaning with the new CO of Fearless being female. Not for sexist sake, but because from the potential crop, the cream is female.