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Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk

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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by n7axw   » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:25 pm

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dwileye13 wrote:
Downright Savory,
The 300K are just around the Bay of Bess and will follow the Coast toward Dairnyth, Hanth will be reinforced and Eastshare could Come in behind to cut them off from their supply chain. At the same time, the King Haaralds will be making a showing - Dohlar may have pony up a few BIG 'sorries and realign their politics.

RFC will come up with a good story line but that one would be cool


I'd almost be ready to bet that along with Thirsk, there would be others in Gorath by now who would be willing to realign their politics and would be relieved to have it done. Ahlverez comes to mind most obviously. Then there is the King whose retreated to his pigeons. Consider Fern who must tear out his hair holding things together. Then there is Thirsk's intendant who us caught in a real mess. I find myself hoping that there can be an exception to the crown's normal policy for inquisitors. Maik seems like a good man.

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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:36 am

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n7axw wrote:
(Snip of speculation of upcoming events)

I'd almost be ready to bet that along with Thirsk, there would be others in Gorath by now who would be willing to realign their politics and would be relieved to have it done. Ahlverez comes to mind most obviously. Then there is the King whose retreated to his pigeons. Consider Fern who must tear out his hair holding things together. Then there is Thirsk's intendant who us caught in a real mess. I find myself hoping that there can be an exception to the crown's normal policy for inquisitors. Maik seems like a good man.

Don

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Maik is not an inquistor; he is an intendant only.
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by n7axw   » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:46 am

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
n7axw wrote:
(Snip of speculation of upcoming events)

I'd almost be ready to bet that along with Thirsk, there would be others in Gorath by now who would be willing to realign their politics and would be relieved to have it done. Ahlverez comes to mind most obviously. Then there is the King whose retreated to his pigeons. Consider Fern who must tear out his hair holding things together. Then there is Thirsk's intendant who us caught in a real mess. I find myself hoping that there can be an exception to the crown's normal policy for inquisitors. Maik seems like a good man.

Don

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Maik is not an inquistor; he is an intendant only.


Do we have textev on that one? I don't remember any and most intendants are inquisitors...

Don

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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:34 am

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
n7axw wrote:
(Snip of speculation of upcoming events)

I'd almost be ready to bet that along with Thirsk, there would be others in Gorath by now who would be willing to realign their politics and would be relieved to have it done. Ahlverez comes to mind most obviously. Then there is the King whose retreated to his pigeons. Consider Fern who must tear out his hair holding things together. Then there is Thirsk's intendant who us caught in a real mess. I find myself hoping that there can be an exception to the crown's normal policy for inquisitors. Maik seems like a good man.

Don

(my text)

Maik is not an inquistor; he is an intendant only.


Do we have textev on that one? I don't remember any and most intendants are inquisitors...



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Archbishop Staynair at the end of chapter II of the August section of _How Firm a Foundation_ in announcing the edict against inquistors: "Inquistors - not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in direct and personal service of the Grand Inquistor ..." Bishop Maik does not fit that criteria.
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by PeterZ   » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:55 am

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When Maik obliquely suggests Thirsk protect his children, does he not imply that he IS in Clyntahn's service? The degree might be open to question, but he is in Clyntahn's chain of command.

I also recall that there are certain rituals that inquisitors go through that indicate a deeper commitment to Clyntahn. This might or might not mean Maik.
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by Dauntless   » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:23 pm

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i've always gotten the impression that maik while an intenderent and member of the order of schuler is a very junior member of the circle.

or at least is more of the mindset of the circle then clynthan, with the exception that he will not let the church of charis survive if he has a choice.

he won't use clynthan style tactics if he has a choice but will do what he feels must be done
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by n7axw   » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:42 pm

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
Archbishop Staynair at the end of chapter II of the August section of _How Firm a Foundation_ in announcing the edict against inquistors: "Inquistors - not simply intendants, not simply Schuelerites, but those in direct and personal service of the Grand Inquistor ..." Bishop Maik does not fit that criteria.


You might be right about Maik. In fact I hope you are. But the reality of the matter is that most intendants are appointed from the ranks of the inquisition. I can't claim that is a hundred percent true, but as a general statement it is accurate. Father Paityr was an inquisitor at the time he was appointed. Whether Maik was one of the exceptions, I have no basis for saying.

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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by PalmerSperry   » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:16 pm

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n7axw wrote:As for the idea of a letter from his daughters, I still think that is the best bet at this point in time. A letter with familiar handwriting, phraseology and terms of endearment should turn the trick nicely. If there is concern over security, Merlin can show him the letters and then keep them in his possession with an agreement to turn the letters over once security is no longer a concern. A paragraph could be put in one of the letters explaining why this is being done and that the letters will be put back in possession of the children.


If the letter, or part of it at least, is phrased carefully then it could be left with Thirsk. Obviously something along the lines of "We got rescued by the Seijins and we're on our way to Charis!" is obviously out of the question. However something like "By the time you receive this I believe we'll be on our way. I'm not fully quite how we're getting to our destination, or what the situation will be like when we get there but I have hope that it won't be as scary as some might think it." would be fine, because there's no way to prove[1] that Thirsk didn't receive it in the normal way[2] and that it wasn't sent before the left to travel to Zion.

... and under the circumstances if Thirsk is seen to be clutching "the last letter he'll ever get from his family"(TM) it would hardly be suspicious.

[1] Clyntahn might not care about such trivial things as "proof" but Rayno is sure to point out that arresting Thirsk claiming "He's receiving communications from demons!" might not go down too well in the Navy or Dohlar in general.
[2] It might not have gone through the Royal Dohlarian Postal System, but can you prove it didn't get delivered via a corrupt Inquisitor who was bribed? If not, then point [1] still applies IMHO.
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by wrlee1966   » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:52 pm

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What I see is this. Merlin will tell Thirsk that he saved his family. They are safe. But he will tell Thirsk you have a debt of Honor to repay. If Merlin doesn't bring it up Thirsk will still feel it. But this visit is more about getting Charis's people back. I think the seeds for Victory and the defeat of the church is already in place. There is only one real hindrance now and that is the Kingdoms from the Church Lands and the armies of Harchong. I think Dolhar is on the verge of breaking with the Group of 4 or That they will be defeated and taken out all together. The title seems to say that they will win in this book or at least come close tot he end of the war. but then we have other things to worry about like the return.
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Re: Merlin's Upcoming Conversation with Thirsk (SPOILERS)
Post by lyonheart   » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:27 am

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Hi PalmerSperry,

Kudos for such a clever idea!

But such a letter is quite suspicious to anyone reading it, since Thirsk saw them off personally; so it doesn't make sense unless it was picked up at sea by the searchers, which of course it wasn't.

Thus for the inquisition the obvious question is where did it come from?

OTOH, seeing his daughters and grandchildren in real time holograms talking and moving etc would be far effective, even if he has to wait for Merlin to return [which he most assuredly will] to see them again.

Since the whole purpose of the exercise is to keep Thirsk alive and still in control of the navy, NTM a power within Dohlar, avoiding anything smacking of collusion or cabals is the first order of business.

Once the inquisition has calmed down or been diverted elsewhere, Thirsk might reach out to fellow minded sympathizers, as vetted by Nynian and Nahrmahn, where and when they provide the security with OWL's remotes.

Taking Dohlar off the Go4's team would go a long way to removing the whole of Howard from the Go4's resources as well, which is more than the sheer population, Desnair's gold, and South Harchong's burgeoning industry; making it worth the allocation of these resources.

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PalmerSperry wrote:
n7axw wrote:As for the idea of a letter from his daughters, I still think that is the best bet at this point in time. A letter with familiar handwriting, phraseology and terms of endearment should turn the trick nicely. If there is concern over security, Merlin can show him the letters and then keep them in his possession with an agreement to turn the letters over once security is no longer a concern. A paragraph could be put in one of the letters explaining why this is being done and that the letters will be put back in possession of the children.


If the letter, or part of it at least, is phrased carefully then it could be left with Thirsk. Obviously something along the lines of "We got rescued by the Seijins and we're on our way to Charis!" is obviously out of the question. However something like "By the time you receive this I believe we'll be on our way. I'm not fully quite how we're getting to our destination, or what the situation will be like when we get there but I have hope that it won't be as scary as some might think it." would be fine, because there's no way to prove[1] that Thirsk didn't receive it in the normal way[2] and that it wasn't sent before the left to travel to Zion.

... and under the circumstances if Thirsk is seen to be clutching "the last letter he'll ever get from his family"(TM) it would hardly be suspicious.

[1] Clyntahn might not care about such trivial things as "proof" but Rayno is sure to point out that arresting Thirsk claiming "He's receiving communications from demons!" might not go down too well in the Navy or Dohlar in general.
[2] It might not have gone through the Royal Dohlarian Postal System, but can you prove it didn't get delivered via a corrupt Inquisitor who was bribed? If not, then point [1] still applies IMHO.
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