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Re: Mesan super-baby market
Post by DDHvi   » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:05 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:
DDHvi wrote:We've learned a lot about genetics recently. We should also have the humility to notice that it is much more intricate than we thought.

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I've heard of studies that found between 30 and 60 new mutations per generation - most of which are in non-coding regions of the genome that don't appear to do anything.

As far as actual deleterious mutations, the terms you want to find are "mutational load" and "purifying selection." Purifying selection is a technical way of saying that people with high mutational load tend to die young or tend to not attract mates so they don't breed. To put it another way, it's "survival of the fittest," with "low mutational load" translating to "fitter."

The thing to understand her is that it's RFC's universe, and genetics works the way RFC wants it to work for the story he wants it to tell. Recent discoveries have no effect on the story other than to make the science age quicker. Not that that's going to matter, since most of the "genetics" in the story is ideologically based and has only a superficial similarity to how it would work in the real world.

Not that most people could tell the difference.


that don't appear to do anything.
is accurate, but AFAWK should be added. Recently, research has been published that describes the function of the appendix in digestion. Also, at least some of the "junk" DNA turns out to have regulation functions.

It would be awkward but accurate to add to every theory: both links to the raw facts, and the statement, AFAWK.

I don't understand quantum mechanics, but the results from the two-slit experiments with slowly produced subatomic particles convinced me that it isn't fantasy.

For any who don't know, the experiment shoots electrons or protons at an interference target gradually, keeping track of where the particles land on the other side. Even though no two particles were moving at the same time, interference patterns showed in the accumulated results.

AFAWK, of course - there is always the possibility that something not yet suggested fits the evidence better.
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Re: Mesan super-baby market
Post by George J. Smith   » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:54 am

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the speculation in this spread leads me to something I heard about donkeys & horses, the offspring of a male donkey and a female horse being a mule and the offspring of a male horse and female donkey being a Hinny, one combination sometimes produces fertile female offspring the other cannot produce any fertile offspring at all, although I'm not sure which does and which doesn't.

The point is the Malign could engineer males of their A,B&G lines to produce infertile offspring resulting from any encounters with normals, the female A,B&G lines would be engineered to reject the seed of normals so no offspring were generated, after all there are male as well as female sex slaves.

Just a thought.
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Re: Mesan super-baby market
Post by JohnRoth   » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:51 am

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George J. Smith wrote:the speculation in this spread leads me to something I heard about donkeys & horses, the offspring of a male donkey and a female horse being a mule and the offspring of a male horse and female donkey being a Hinny, one combination sometimes produces fertile female offspring the other cannot produce any fertile offspring at all, although I'm not sure which does and which doesn't.

The point is the Malign could engineer males of their A,B&G lines to produce infertile offspring resulting from any encounters with normals, the female A,B&G lines would be engineered to reject the seed of normals so no offspring were generated, after all there are male as well as female sex slaves.

Just a thought.


There was a thread a while ago where I did some thinking about what Manpower could have done to optimize their production of genetic slaves. To repurpose a lick from Thomas Edison, the current process seems to be 97% handwavium and 3% rationality.

One example should suffice: all of their slaves come from "vats" in their breeding centers. It costs a certain amount to grow a slave to where ce is useful (about 15 years). That cost needs to be amortized over the useful life of the slave; therefore that useful life should be as long as possible. So why does he emphasize that they don't have prolong, live short lives and get thrown away at a whim (Torch, for example?) It's "slavery is awful" ideology, no more and no less. Not that it isn't, but that doesn't excuse not really thinking the background through to its actual consequences given the large amount of biotechnology available.
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Re: Mesan super-baby market
Post by JohnRoth   » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:58 am

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DDHvi wrote:We've learned a lot about genetics recently. We should also have the humility to notice that it is much more intricate than we thought.

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JohnRoth wrote:I've heard of studies that found between 30 and 60 new mutations per generation - most of which are in non-coding regions of the genome that don't appear to do anything.

As far as actual deleterious mutations, the terms you want to find are "mutational load" and "purifying selection." Purifying selection is a technical way of saying that people with high mutational load tend to die young or tend to not attract mates so they don't breed. To put it another way, it's "survival of the fittest," with "low mutational load" translating to "fitter."

The thing to understand her is that it's RFC's universe, and genetics works the way RFC wants it to work for the story he wants it to tell. Recent discoveries have no effect on the story other than to make the science age quicker. Not that that's going to matter, since most of the "genetics" in the story is ideologically based and has only a superficial similarity to how it would work in the real world.

Not that most people could tell the difference.


DDHvi wrote:
that don't appear to do anything.
is accurate, but AFAWK should be added. Recently, research has been published that describes the function of the appendix in digestion. Also, at least some of the "junk" DNA turns out to have regulation functions.

It would be awkward but accurate to add to every theory: both links to the raw facts, and the statement, AFAWK.


The word "appear" has the same semantic value as "as far as we know." Many editors would delete the second as a redundancy. Appearances are not reality, and appearances can change.
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