Next Bolthole devellopment

IIRC, the spider drive can be detected by shipboard gravitics if the range is less than 1 light second.

Also IIRC, shipboard sensors can see a hyper transit at 6-8 light minutes, while the big sensor nets can see a hyper transit at more than 6 light months.

this would make the big array APPROXIMATELY 8,640 more sensitive. In other words, something that can be sensed at 1 second by a shipboard gravitic array could be sensed at 2.4 light minutes by the planetary array.

If hemphill looks at the data from the planetary array, she just might find the smoking gun.

Maldorian wrote:Back to the Topic!

I think, the main question is not what is possible!
The main question is, what does the Military need most!

So, the manties and the havies have better weapons than the league, so that shouldn´t be the main Need of the Military!

At the other Hand, remember the Yawata hit! How could that hqappen? It happens, because nobody has seen the enemy! And that is the main question: "what can we do to detect the enemy the next time?"

So, my guess is, that the bolthole Researchers spent the most of their resurces into Sensor tec! So we can expect something in that direction!

On the other side, sensor tec is an endless race with cloaking tecnology! So, if the Alliance improve their sensors, we can expect better cloaking devices, too!

No, shipboard sensors can see a downward transition past the hyperlimit. So at least multiple tens of light minutes.

Brigade XO wrote:No mention about the two empires doing anything like going to common equipment such as the NATO or WARSAW PACT alliances. I don't think they are going to come around to that level of working together for quite a while if for no other reason then they both have much better equipment (and tactics and leadership & experience) than the SLN, probably places like Mannheim and the rest of the RF plus actual combat experience than the Alignment.

The first collaborative ships from bolthole are planned as SD(P)s with Havenite propulsion, life-support, and navigation systems. once they are capable of moving under their own power, they're to move to Beowulf for installation of Keyhole II -- eg Manticoran sensors and weapons control systems and Apollo Pod launch and control.

That implies a GA standardization on Apollo for podlayers. There's no textev for any smaller Bolthole collaborations, but the basic pattern of Havenite structure and running gear fitted with Manticoran sensors and weapons can be assumed -- CL through BC armed with MK16G and smaller ships with LERMs with a MK16's improved grav-lensing.

There is little need for cross-talk between Havenite and Manticoran equipment except for tactical maneuvering if that happens to be automated.

Once they start working on a truly integrated ship with the best of both empires, then they're going to run into compatibility problems, but the immediate production is not going to run into incompatibility problems because each empire is contributing the entire installation for their contribution and there is very little overlap.

kzt wrote:David might well think that, but no, it's vastly more complex.

It's David's Universe so, no it isn't more complex.

Can I recomend the Collins class submarine, a Swedish design built under license in Sweden and Australia and fitted with US sonar and electronics.

Fucked from day 1.



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Annachie wrote:Can I recomend the Collins class submarine, a Swedish design built under license ...

Fucked from day 1.

Wikipedia sounds more like the problems were political rather than technical.

Yeah they were.

And that was countries that weren't at war with each other.

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George J. Smith wrote:I think there may well be a fair amount of frustration on the part of the Manticoran researchers as they try to interface with what they consider less able Havenite systems.

How much interface is there between "weapons and sensors" and "propulsion and life support?" The only interface I can think of off-hand might be maneuvering/navigation and tactical maneuvering. Even there, an automatic interface isn't necessary and CWO Harkness, PMV, could whip up a software patch in about thirty seconds.

I was thinking more in the terms of the equipment being used by the Havenites to do their R&D and prototyping.

Here is how I see it:

The Havenite SDP has no broadside tubes, so it should be a "relatively" simple problem to retrofit their pod rails to fire older Mk-23 flat pack pods. They can also use Apollo pods with the same effectiveness as gold peak used the apollo pods in spindal.

It should be just a software fix on current gravitic sensors to enable havenite ships to be able to READ FTL communications.

As far as being able to send FTL communications, that would be accomplished when a havenite ship has it's wedge and compensator upgraded.

George J. Smith wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:How much interface is there between "weapons and sensors" and "propulsion and life support?" The only interface I can think of off-hand might be maneuvering/navigation and tactical maneuvering. Even there, an automatic interface isn't necessary and CWO Harkness, PMV, could whip up a software patch in about thirty seconds.

I was thinking more in the terms of the equipment being used by the Havenites to do their R&D and prototyping.

darrell wrote:Here is how I see it:

The Havenite SDP has no broadside tubes, so it should be a "relatively" simple problem to retrofit their pod rails to fire older Mk-23 flat pack pods. They can also use Apollo pods with the same effectiveness as gold peak used the apollo pods in spindal.

It should be just a software fix on current gravitic sensors to enable havenite ships to be able to READ FTL communications.

As far as being able to send FTL communications, that would be accomplished when a havenite ship has it's wedge and compensator upgraded.

If the Havenite Recon LACs can send (low pulse rate / low bandwidth) FTL, which they can, I imagine that their modern starships can do the same.

I agree they'll need upgrades and new hardware to match the transmission rates of Ghost Rider drones, Hermes Buoys, or Apollo FTL fire control - but they've got some FTL signalling capabilities already.


As for the pods I assume that the larger Havenite missile require larger pods and hence wider spacing on the pod rails. It's probably fairly straightforward to build adapters to fit the smaller RMN pods onto those rails; but I think it'd waste a lot of space. You should be able to fit more missiles if you have Haven build new pods of their standard size but fitted for the smaller RMN missiles. However I think the real problem is that you apparently need different infrastructure for charging capacitor powered missiles in pods than you do for igniting the micro-fusion reactors of Mk23s. I think for the later you need a super high-temp plasma conduit to load jumpstart the reactor with near critical temp/pressure plasma bled off a ship's reactor. Haven's current SD(P)s presumably wouldn't have that capability, since all their missiles are capacitor powered. Retrofitting that line, through all the armored bulkheads, is a much harder problem that adapting the size of a pod.

You could probably give them the pods of the even older Mk41 capacitor powered missiles; but I'm not sure those are significantly better than the current Havenite missile. A bit smaller, but probably not worth the bother. (Plus how many of them would Manticore still have stockpiled?)

Annachie wrote:Yeah they were.

And that was countries that weren't at war with each other.

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The GA have a lot more motivation to get things working together. Failure to get things working will have greater effects then just political embarrassment for the parties involved.