Salvatore Hammerwell

I find it intrigueing that we read so little about surviving memories of what the 20th century calls 'classical' music - Beethoven, etc. Since Honor can read Sherlock Holmes, and the Anduril class ships hark back to the Lord of the Rings, surely some recordings of great music would also have come to Manticore? Where are they?

Cheers

John

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Annachie wrote:Although given his history and passions, the 1812 overture would be up there too. Always wanted to see that piece performed accompanied by something like the USS Iowa.

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Many years ago, I heard the 1812 performed with "special guest stars" -- a battery of National Guard Field Artillery. With 155mm howitzers.

Very nice. One year I went to the 4th of July fireworks in Washington DC and part of the run-up as it started to get dark was the 1812 overture accompanied by 105 howitzers.

That was fairly impressive; I can only fail to imagine what it would be like with 155s, or actual 8" or larger naval artillery.

John Prigent wrote:I find it intrigueing that we read so little about surviving memories of what the 20th century calls 'classical' music - Beethoven, etc. Since Honor can read Sherlock Holmes, and the Anduril class ships hark back to the Lord of the Rings, surely some recordings of great music would also have come to Manticore? Where are they?

Cheers

John

My guess is some insanely rich individual has acquired the rights to them all and has them locked up in his home since they are unmentionable priceless antiques. To be passed on and on and on until someone inherits them and realizes their significance and priceless value.

Perhaps the Hauptmans own them all - recordings, sheet music, instruments of antiquity, etc.

I wonder what form art has taken, paintings, sculptures and even new paradigms utilizing completely new materials. What strokes and methods are used by artists of the 'Verse? What mediums?

They are kind of out of copyright protection.

kzt wrote:They are kind of out of copyright protection.

You misunderstood.

Copyright protection doesn't matter if you have purchased all known recordings and sheet music that survived the final wars.

Can't reproduce what you don't have.

I have heard of prodigies that can play certain pieces from memory as they were, in their entirety. But that's certain pieces. How many of them, that would be familiar with the old classical recordings, would still be living? And, well, of course, they couldn't pass their memories on, like treecats.

kzt wrote:They are kind of out of copyright protection.

Copyright only lasts a relative short time. Currently under U.S. copyright law a work hits the public domain when an author or composer dies and 75 years have passed since the work was first published. So basically 75 years after a author or composer dies all of his works are in the public domain.

cthia wrote:

kzt wrote:They are kind of out of copyright protection.

You misunderstood.

Copyright protection doesn't matter if you have purchased all known recordings and sheet music that survived the final wars.

Can't reproduce what you don't have.

I have heard of prodigies that can play certain pieces from memory as they were, in their entirety. But that's certain pieces. How many of them, that would be familiar with the old classical recordings, would still be living? And, well, of course, they couldn't pass their memories on, like treecats.

Given how long the diaspora ran before Earth's final war, and how little space recordings or sheet music would take up in even the personal baggage allowance of a immigrant, I doubt that it's possible to corner the galaxy wide market on given works of classical music. There were 800 years or so between the first sub-light cryo colony ships and the Final War.

Then after safe hyper travel allowed routine shipping routes to form any local imbalances in the archives of that music would likely rapidly even themselves out.


Our classical music may have fallen out of vogue on colony worlds, in favor of their native composers, but I'd be shocked if basically every musical study program on every world beyond neo-barb status didn't have a pretty exhaustive copy of our classical composers.
(Could be wrong, but I'd expect it's still known and studied if not widely performed)

Christopher Franke wrote some really outstanding pieces for Babylon 5. Check out "Season 1 Main Title Extended" (the 3+ minute arrangement) and "Voices Of Authority", among many others.

cthia wrote:My sister loves classical music so my niece didn't have a choice. Sis has a pair of Bose 901 concert hall speakers. They are perfect orchestra hall speakers. And my niece gives 'em a workout. The Bose love her. And this piece loves the Bose -- that rolling drum!

I can not believe that you actually listen to about the most godawful speakers I ever heard. The attempt to make a high-quality full-range speaker system out of 8 cheap 4" midrange drivers and plastic baffles was doomed from the start.

Many years ago a stereo salescritter insisted on demo'ing those things, and it was all I could do not to run screaming from the store. They have anemic bass, a strident midrange that feels like sticking spikes in your ears, and the high end peters out at about 7 KC. They are popular in clubs and bars because that horrible midrange guarantees they can be heard over any other noise.

It is true that if you equalize the hell out of 'em they can sound marginally acceptable at low volume, but if pushed at all their deficiencies become painfully apparent.

If you want to know what that music is supposed to sound like, try some Paradigm, Kef, Energy or Polk speakers.
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cthia wrote:I have to yield the pièce de seleccione to my then 12-yr-old niece's submission. Richard Strauss' Also sprach Zarathustra. As opined oh so many times by my niece, it has both the softness and serenity before the battle and the hard hitting edge. As also opined by her, I can see Honor's hand moving in tune with that piece in a fashion parroting a proud conductor's glory.

The final notes of that piece marks the culmination of a victorious, hard fought battle and the death of a foe. Check out the length of it as well.

I almost forgot, or I'll never hear the end of it from her. You have to fancy Honor on the bridge as the conductor. (You should see my niece mimic it.)

I have to give it to her. My niece nailed that one.

https://youtu.be/SSBzgAPXPLU

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Strauss' Zarathustra, although amazing, does not match the description of Hammerwell's Seventh given in HoQ as
"the haunting loveliness of Hammerwell's Salute to Spring. . . "

timmopussycat wrote:Strauss' Zarathustra, although amazing, does not match the description of Hammerwell's Seventh given in HoQ as "the haunting loveliness of Hammerwell's Salute to Spring. . . "

I didn't over-think the comparison, too much, and just heard Stravinski's Rite of Spring from Disney's 1940 Fantasia

Of course, there's always Vivaldi's Spring Concerto from his Four Seasons opus.