Next Bolthole devellopment

Haven's yards are going to have to make modifications to Haven designed to be able to impliment the RMN tech going into them. That is at the same time they build enough equipment to manufacture the RMN tech gear to be able to install it into anything.

Remember that there is this not so small problem of Manticore not being able to manufacture replacements and spare parts for existing ships yet.

Somebody is going to have to re-spec the existing Haven ships to make sure the new Manticore stuff will 1) fit, 2) interface, 3) work with the new hybrid systems. It also opens the questions about weapons systems for the two navies and at what point Haven is going- if it is going- to switch to RMN missiles etc. Remember that Haven has a huge, intact, military building and supply system in-place and a LOT of ships which are using a wide range of newest type and back to various legacy (but effective in thier own use range) weapons they will still need to supply to keep the RHN warships topped off with weapons.

To some extent, it will be creating two seperate new sets of manufacturing and shipbuilding lines. One for the new-to be designed and built classes, and one for the RMN ships and equipment. They have industrial capacity but it and the workforce will need to upgrade production, processes and skills to do this job.

True, they'll probably use what amounts to the latest Havenite designs plus Keyhole II to build the RHN up to a decent strength. But those won't really be a product of the GA brain trust.

Right now, I don't see a need for the RMN or the GSN to rapidly expand their forces. Oyster Bay has sufficiently crippled Manticore and Grayson's industrial base that large-scale offensive operations are going to be dicey, but they can probably handle any Solarian forces coming their way. They could probably even detach Second and Eighth Fleet for Cutworm-style raids.

Back at Bolthole, we have two problems needed to produce my coveted Alliance-class SD(P)s. We need to upgrade Bolthole to Manticoran tech levels, and we need to design the Alliance itself, along with its CLAC, BC, CA, CL, and DD equivalents. Happily, those two tasks can be done by different people. The wrench monkeys can do the upgrading, while Foraker and Hemphill (and Simoes) come up with the design. It'll take time to produce a working streak drive, but this is like trying to design nuclear weapons with Robert Oppenheimer as your consultant.

We'll probably see a Havenite prototype streak drive ship produced within a year (RHNS Francesca Simoes). Also, while Hemphill and Foraker work on desigining the streak drive warships, they can delegate the equally important (but far easier) task of whipping up a streak drive dispatch boat.

Due to the power of plot you are probably correct. Notice how the lack of spare parts has absolutely no impact on operations. It's not even a concern. And yet it has been stated that things like nodes are both wear items and only able to be built by very advanced industrial facilities, none of which currently exist.

kzt wrote:Due to the power of plot you are probably correct. Notice how the lack of spare parts has absolutely no impact on operations. It's not even a concern. And yet it has been stated that things like nodes are both wear items and only able to be built by very advanced industrial facilities, none of which currently exist.

As far as the storyline goes, the lack of worry "onscreen" may be due to the extremely low age of the front line warships. Items like nodes may be 10-15 year wear items, so a 2 year old ship shouldn't be worrying about such things, any more than a 2 year old car owner should be concerned about having to replace his engine. Looking at the HoS build #s, it looks like the RMN replaced ~1/2 the Legacy fleet by May 1921 with new construction, and was capable of building hundreds more DD-CAs in the remaining ~10 months between then and OB. So it is quite possible there are only a handful of ships in the OOB more than ~8 years old, and those few probably could be kept running by plundering the reserves for spare parts.

But, there should be some concern about lowering operational tempos - while the RMN and GSN doesn't need to overly concern themselves about their new construction NOW, they have no idea what the parts situation will actually be like in 5 years. Everyone should know that any building estimates now are just that - estimates, and should be cautious about the future.

kzt wrote:Due to the power of plot you are probably correct. Notice how the lack of spare parts has absolutely no impact on operations. It's not even a concern. And yet it has been stated that things like nodes are both wear items and only able to be built by very advanced industrial facilities, none of which currently exist.

Warships will carry some spares, plus the Honorverse equivalent of 3D printers able to make some more. The ships in the fleet-train will have more spares (or a wider variety) and "3D printers" able to make more. The warehouses for the fleet-train will have even more spares.

Plus working out which spare parts you're likely run short of first and prioritising even low-rate production of same is such an obvious concept that I doubt it's failed to occur of the characters.

Even a ship as advanced in design as the RMN Invictus-class is made up mostly of standard off the shelf technologies. So I figure Haven could be a source of general spare parts.

What is with Herlander Simmons?

I think they could build the first new Hyperdrive with the Aligenment Tec!

I remember about the Battle of Grayson! Honor send Alice Truman back for reinforcement! The Point is: Alice told her enegeneer to set the Compensator tolerance to Zero!

Means that, Hyperspeed also depends of the Compensator Tec? If so, the Manties could create even faster Hyperdrives than the ones of the Alignement, if they combine the Alignement Hypertec from Simmons with their Compensator Tec!

Maldorian wrote:What is with Herlander Simmons?

I think they could build the first new Hyperdrive with the Aligenment Tec!

I remember about the Battle of Grayson! Honor send Alice Truman back for reinforcement! The Point is: Alice told her enegeneer to set the Compensator tolerance to Zero!

Means that, Hyperspeed also depends of the Compensator Tec? If so, the Manties could create even faster Hyperdrives than the ones of the Alignement, if they combine the Alignement Hypertec from Simmons with their Compensator Tec!

not quite.

Alice truman took out all the interlocks on her hyper generator and did make a somewhat faster passage but they also came within inches of total destruction.

I believe alice's words to white haven were "we bounced off the iota 2 days out of grayson" White Haven winced and realised that things must have been worse then he thought and told his engineers to disable SOME of the interlocks so his BCs could move a bit faster, but there was still the iota wall issue.

the streaks dives routinely use Iota band. from what i understand the solution Malign came up was more brute force then elegance but exactly what that means in terms of modification to a standard hyper generator is still unknown

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Maldorian wrote:What is with Herlander Simmons?

I think they could build the first new Hyperdrive with the Aligenment Tec!

I remember about the Battle of Grayson! Honor send Alice Truman back for reinforcement! The Point is: Alice told her enegeneer to set the Compensator tolerance to Zero!

Means that, Hyperspeed also depends of the Compensator Tec? If so, the Manties could create even faster Hyperdrives than the ones of the Alignement, if they combine the Alignement Hypertec from Simmons with their Compensator Tec!

not quite.

Alice truman took out all the interlocks on her hyper generator and did make a somewhat faster passage but they also came within inches of total destruction.

I believe alice's words to white haven were "we bounced off the iota 2 days out of grayson" White Haven winced and realised that things must have been worse then he thought and told his engineers to disable SOME of the interlocks so his BCs could move a bit faster, but there was still the iota wall issue.

the streaks dives routinely use Iota band. from what i understand the solution Malign came up was more brute force then elegance but exactly what that means in terms of modification to a standard hyper generator is still unknown

It's true that the hyper generator is by far the biggest factor in hyperspace speed; but compensators matter a little. Compensator affects, at most, hours of transit no mater how long the trip. You just hit 0.6c too quickly and have to stop accelerating.
And if there's a grav wave the differences are even smaller since the ships get roughly a 10x acceleration boost; so the time to top speed is roughly 1/10th

Maldorian wrote:What is with Herlander Simmons?

I think they could build the first new Hyperdrive with the Aligenment Tec!

First, the name is Simoes, not Simmons.

Second, Herlander is a theoretical hyper-physicist and it is explicitly stated in textev that he was only marginally similiar with the hardware side of things.

The GA will eventually develop a "Streak Drive" and very probably a smaller, more efficient version than the MAlign invented. It won't be the "next Bolthole development" or even the second or third development, though.