Grayson v. Haven

cthia wrote:Which echos my sentiment opined in my second point. 1)Prevent an enemy concentration of forces in your rear 2)Ensure that your supply lines are kept open. Fleet trains aren't given passes.

Operating deep within enemy territory, the huge Haven system, there is no benefit of wormholes once you get there. You're a long way from home. The logistics would have been a bit different than what had to be achieved with Beatrice. An enemy knows that you must resupply. Haven would have cut off the supply lines. It is what an enemy does. The fleet train would have been heavily attacked and a no show in a protracted battle - had Lovat not been punched out first.

cthia wrote:[
Haven is a much larger system than Manticore. A Manticoran fleet would be operating deep within the Haven system. Taking Trevor's Star wasn't easy and the RMN had benefit of wormhole support. Deep within enemy territory it would be different. You almost have to seize a base in which to operate. That base would be a target and is your entire supply line. Reason being, you have to enter n-space to resupply such specific items as reactor mass. That is going to require a base. Operating deep within enemy territory as large as Haven, you are going to be spotted operating in n-space. Too many freighters, couriers etc., operating. I don't see that you're going to be able to pull back at some arbitrary point in space to rearm from a protracted battle, when you already have to overcome a full strength Nouveau Paris home fleet. And once you stick your head in-system, couriers, and light units are going to bolt for the back door running and screaming Case Zulu.

Unlike Beatrice, Manticore wouldn't be coming with hundreds of ships in hopes to blitzkrieg. Grayson's 25 SDs vs Haven's full strength home fleet (which I imagine was significantly larger that Manticore's anyway), plus the fact that many other units would be racing in-system to consolidate and concentrate - units on the peripheral of the home system as Sphinx is from Manticore, would compound your problem.

I'll yield to your better understanding of Honorverse logistics. Yet, I never got the impression from storyline that had White Haven continued the offensive and eventually gone for Haven, that it was expected to be a short victorious battle.

exiledtoIA wrote:Somtaw, ( hope I spelled that right ).
Actually depending on how closely the RMN's Uniform Code of Military Justice follows current US and British versions Honor could be charged and courts-martialed.
There is a catchall Article in most countries UCMJ's about "Conduct Unbecoming".
This is used when somebody does something that doesn't quite fit other specific charges. It can also be used when they want to "pile-on".
Depending on how the ceasefire order was written Honor could possibly charged with violating a legal order from a superior officer.
We never see the text of the ceasefire so it could have forbidden an officer in the RMN from committing any action which could jeopardize the ceasefire.

exiledtoIA wrote:Somtaw, ( hope I spelled that right ).
Actually depending on how closely the RMN's Uniform Code of Military Justice follows current US and British versions Honor could be charged and courts-martialed.
There is a catchall Article in most countries UCMJ's about "Conduct Unbecoming".
This is used when somebody does something that doesn't quite fit other specific charges. It can also be used when they want to "pile-on".
Depending on how the ceasefire order was written Honor could possibly charged with violating a legal order from a superior officer.
We never see the text of the ceasefire so it could have forbidden an officer in the RMN from committing any action which could jeopardize the ceasefire.

saber964 wrote:

exiledtoIA wrote:Somtaw, ( hope I spelled that right ).
Actually depending on how closely the RMN's Uniform Code of Military Justice follows current US and British versions Honor could be charged and courts-martialed.
There is a catchall Article in most countries UCMJ's about "Conduct Unbecoming".
This is used when somebody does something that doesn't quite fit other specific charges. It can also be used when they want to "pile-on".
Depending on how the ceasefire order was written Honor could possibly charged with violating a legal order from a superior officer.
We never see the text of the ceasefire so it could have forbidden an officer in the RMN from committing any action which could jeopardize the ceasefire.

To which you are referring? Duchess Harrington or Steadholder Harrington.

Secondly Honor was not a duchess when the ceasefire went into affect.

pnakasone wrote:

exiledtoIA wrote:Somtaw, ( hope I spelled that right ).
Actually depending on how closely the RMN's Uniform Code of Military Justice follows current US and British versions Honor could be charged and courts-martialed.
There is a catchall Article in most countries UCMJ's about "Conduct Unbecoming".
This is used when somebody does something that doesn't quite fit other specific charges. It can also be used when they want to "pile-on".
Depending on how the ceasefire order was written Honor could possibly charged with violating a legal order from a superior officer.
We never see the text of the ceasefire so it could have forbidden an officer in the RMN from committing any action which could jeopardize the ceasefire.

She could formally resign her commission in the RMN before accepting command of the Greyson Navy. How many of the best and brightest of the RMN would follow her in such an action.