[spoilers]What happens when Shannon Foraker meets...

You are right I forgot about that.

Thirdbase wrote:

jthoma8318 wrote:Only when Honor was captured as far as I know. Both of their senses of duty would have allowed any kind of fraternization then, even if they had been in contact. I was thinking of when she meets him as an ally now. The mutual respect is already there and he is about to make flag rank.


I thought that he met her when Honor captured her in Silesia. Yep, they even attended at least one of Honor's dinner "parties" together.

The rules against fraternization only apply to people withing your chain of cammand. Since Scotty and Foraker aren't even in the same navy, it is open season on each other.

Here is a link to video of a properly done catfight.

http://www.videosurf.com/video/marina-s ... 1-70559976

jthoma8318 wrote:You are right I forgot about that.

Thirdbase wrote:

jthoma8318 wrote:Only when Honor was captured as far as I know. Both of their senses of duty would have allowed any kind of fraternization then, even if they had been in contact. I was thinking of when she meets him as an ally now. The mutual respect is already there and he is about to make flag rank.


I thought that he met her when Honor captured her in Silesia. Yep, they even attended at least one of Honor's dinner "parties" together.

So, how many times did Honor and Hamish meet before sparks sparked? Not saying that it is likely, but see no reason to discount the possibility.

Wouldnt a bigger question be what happens when Shannon and Scotty see eachother again?Cause it seems from his tech witch comment in earlier books there might have been some intrest there...especially with the peace being made that intrest is now possible to be followed up on. That courtship might be as amusing a Harkness and Babcocks lol.

Cap'n Roderick wrote:...Admiral Hemphill?

One of the things I've always enjoyed in this whole series is the interesting counter-strategies and technologies employed by both Haven and Manticore throughout the various wars. Especially the cunning little tactical doctrines I, for one, would never have thought of in the same situation, and these are in many cases originated by Admiral Foraker, as ways to get around the technological advantage of the SKM.

So, as a bit of wish-listing, what do all you Honorverse tech-heads think Shannon might be able to come up with to give the League's thousand-waller fleets a bowel problem if/when she gets some playtime with BuWeaps and the cutting edge of Manticoran technology?

Ravenschild wrote:Wouldnt a bigger question be what happens when Shannon and Scotty see eachother again?Cause it seems from his tech witch comment in earlier books there might have been some intrest there...especially with the peace being made that intrest is now possible to be followed up on. That courtship might be as amusing a Harkness and Babcocks lol.

Cap'n Roderick wrote:...Admiral Hemphill?

One of the things I've always enjoyed in this whole series is the interesting counter-strategies and technologies employed by both Haven and Manticore throughout the various wars. Especially the cunning little tactical doctrines I, for one, would never have thought of in the same situation, and these are in many cases originated by Admiral Foraker, as ways to get around the technological advantage of the SKM.

So, as a bit of wish-listing, what do all you Honorverse tech-heads think Shannon might be able to come up with to give the League's thousand-waller fleets a bowel problem if/when she gets some playtime with BuWeaps and the cutting edge of Manticoran technology?

Which we barely glimpsed.

Cap'n Roderick wrote:...Admiral Hemphill?

One of the things I've always enjoyed in this whole series is the interesting counter-strategies and technologies employed by both Haven and Manticore throughout the various wars. Especially the cunning little tactical doctrines I, for one, would never have thought of in the same situation, and these are in many cases originated by Admiral Foraker, as ways to get around the technological advantage of the SKM.

So, as a bit of wish-listing, what do all you Honorverse tech-heads think Shannon might be able to come up with to give the League's thousand-waller fleets a bowel problem if/when she gets some playtime with BuWeaps and the cutting edge of Manticoran technology?

Hemphill+Foraker, a heaven-made match! ^_^

Hmm lets see, Manticore just got their big R&D places shredded, by an enemy that snuck in with far far too much knowledge about where to hit, so where can they put them back to work again, in safety?

Oh yeah, there´s that little hideout that Haven has managed to keep extremely well hidden, and both heads of state insists on total cooperation, so maybe let those valuable R&D folks relocated to Bolthole, at least until Manticore has a new, and above all else secure, location for them?

As for what the horribly dynamic duo could come up with?
Practically anything i would say. The two should compliment each other about as perfectly as Cachat and Zilwicki.

An obvious development from the Apollo-system, especially for Haven as they´re unlikely to suddenly be able to build them, would be one where you drop the FTL ability of the control missile, but instead increase its computer-power(and other EW systems) even more, significantly more, and thereby reduce the amount of control channels needed for the firing ships as well as greatly increasing the ability for each pack of missiles to attack autonomously or at extreme range.

Using not quite Keyhole style platforms to deploy missile defense weapons outside of ships to allow vastly better fields of fire, even while turning the wedge towards the enemy, and to put the point defense slightly closer to incoming weapons while also possibly allowing them "flank shots" and/or an extra "axis of attack" at incoming missiles, making it harder for such to avoid point defense fire.
Couple these and other kind of platforms with the Havenite "Mules" and you can potentially create a shell of several/many more or less specialised deployable platforms around ships... Adding extra EW, sensors, point defense and whatever else you might come up with should be a nice little bonus, also allowing additional redundancy to shipboard systems.

Combine the Mesa Spider drive with ever more improved Sidewalls and you probably have a ship that can still maneuver while being "shields up" in ALL directions.
As they would still be using a wedge, the acceleration restrictions faced by the Mesan ships shouldnt be a problem.
Could the normal drive run side by side with a Spider drive or not? If they can... Similar advantages as real-life CODLAG setup, except better still.

The description of the Spider drive also gives me a few other ideas, like seeing if you can make a "temporary tunnel" through H-space via which you could deliver a Graser shot for example; or how about messing with the boundaries of N and H-space to create shielding to compliment sidewalls with?
And then of course, most things involving the transfer of energy can be weaponised, so, how do you turn a Spider drive into a weapon? Into an (almost?) instahit superlongranged beam weapon perhaps?

Oh, and of course, effectively being able to manipulate gravity as well as they can do by now, to me that just screams gravityprojection based weapons.
It should also potentially allow some additional ways for transstellar travel, if the author wants to make one of the current theories for such work in his universe (noone knows if they truly will work so its anyones guess if they do).

And then, the combination of the Spider drive and gravity pulsing, well that sounds like it has potential for something like the HPG, HyperPulseGenerator, type of superlongrange communication devices from the Battletech universe. The powerusage for this would likely be in the extreme so not a chance to put it in missiles, drones or perhaps even ships, but allowing planet-to-planet communication to be almost instant or at the very minimum a tiny fraction of the time that a shipboard message would take, the advantages from this could be huge. Many of the early screwups by the peeps could have been mitigated or even completely avoided by such, just as a single example.
And it would severely trash the advantage that Mesa gets from the Streak drive.

Yes but it wasn't until she made Flag rank the Hammish even entertained the idea of her being a woman in that way. Same thing with Scotty and Shannon, but even more so. I think from Scotty's comment when he was COLAC the first time he admired her and I think HE was probably who Shannon was trying to wheedle info out of in HAE in, but both are far to professional to have thought seriously about fraternizing with the enemy. Now that they aren't enemies anymore, I think it is entirely possible.

waddles for desert wrote:

jthoma8318 wrote:You are right I forgot about that.

Thirdbase wrote:I thought that he met her when Honor captured her in Silesia. Yep, they even attended at least one of Honor's dinner "parties" together.

So, how many times did Honor and Hamish meet before sparks sparked? Not saying that it is likely, but see no reason to discount the possibility.[/quote]

I was thinking about it, and I believe that getting Foraker together with people like our favorite master chief Horace Harkness would get us the best results. My impression of Foraker is that she's a nuts and bolts type of person, not theoretical. Pair her with a few more nuts and bolts people near her caliber who are familiar with how Manticore equipment actually works, then have the nuts and bolts group work closely with the theoretical group.

Getting those two together might actually finally give DW a reason to clearly explain what happened during the "Oops" incident.

Foraker would almost certainly be very interested in finding out how Harkness managed to light a pinnace wedge while it was in a boat bay, and Horace would almost certainly have heard something about the "Oops" moment and ask for an explanation of that as "payment".

Explaining "Oops" should not be a worry, because one of the very first things that Foraker would have certainly done when the PRH became a sane nation again would have been to fix the exploits she used to blow up those ships.

For Foraker to NOT seek out Harkness and try to get information out of him would be completely out of character when she discovers he engineered that little malfunction. She would certainly want to be very, very certain to patch up that security/safety issue by being certain that she understands what happened and how it was accomplished.

Cheopis wrote:I was thinking about it, and I believe that getting Foraker together with people like our favorite master chief Horace Harkness would get us the best results. My impression of Foraker is that she's a nuts and bolts type of person, not theoretical. Pair her with a few more nuts and bolts people near her caliber who are familiar with how Manticore equipment actually works, then have the nuts and bolts group work closely with the theoretical group.

Getting those two together might actually finally give DW a reason to clearly explain what happened during the "Oops" incident.

Foraker would almost certainly be very interested in finding out how Harkness managed to light a pinnace wedge while it was in a boat bay, and Horace would almost certainly have heard something about the "Oops" moment and ask for an explanation of that as "payment".

Explaining "Oops" should not be a worry, because one of the very first things that Foraker would have certainly done when the PRH became a sane nation again would have been to fix the exploits she used to blow up those ships.

For Foraker to NOT seek out Harkness and try to get information out of him would be completely out of character when she discovers he engineered that little malfunction. She would certainly want to be very, very certain to patch up that security/safety issue by being certain that she understands what happened and how it was accomplished.

Just what we need, Foraker and Harkness getting into a contest to see who can blow up a warship in the most unusual way.

Thirdbase wrote:

Cheopis wrote:I was thinking about it, and I believe that getting Foraker together with people like our favorite master chief Horace Harkness would get us the best results. My impression of Foraker is that she's a nuts and bolts type of person, not theoretical. Pair her with a few more nuts and bolts people near her caliber who are familiar with how Manticore equipment actually works, then have the nuts and bolts group work closely with the theoretical group.

Getting those two together might actually finally give DW a reason to clearly explain what happened during the "Oops" incident.

Foraker would almost certainly be very interested in finding out how Harkness managed to light a pinnace wedge while it was in a boat bay, and Horace would almost certainly have heard something about the "Oops" moment and ask for an explanation of that as "payment".

Explaining "Oops" should not be a worry, because one of the very first things that Foraker would have certainly done when the PRH became a sane nation again would have been to fix the exploits she used to blow up those ships.

For Foraker to NOT seek out Harkness and try to get information out of him would be completely out of character when she discovers he engineered that little malfunction. She would certainly want to be very, very certain to patch up that security/safety issue by being certain that she understands what happened and how it was accomplished.

Just what we need, Foraker and Harkness getting into a contest to see who can blow up a warship in the most unusual way.

Whats the prize? How much will they charge for people to watch?