Infrastructure

Weird Harold wrote:

cthia wrote:I can't rightly recollect, were very many or any stockpile of missiles destroyed with Oyster Bay as well?

I don't recall any mention of missile stockpiles. The primary missile production lines were destroyed, and obviously any missiles that hadn't been shipped, but no mention of stockpiles in the discussion of possible missile shortages.

Mission of Honor, Chapter 30 wrote:“Whoever planned this operation obviously knew exactly how to hurt us. Not only did they take out our building capacity, but when they destroyed Hephaestus and Vulcan, they also destroyed our missile production lines. I remain confident that the missiles we have deployed are superior to those of any probable enemy, but the ones we already have aboard ship, or aboard ammunition ships assigned to our fleet formations, are all the missiles we have. All we’re going to have until we can rebuild our production facilities . . . ​which is why I said we’d need the Trevor’s Star facilities for something else even more than for rebuilding our Manticoran yards. At this time, I have no firm estimate for how long it’s going to take to get Trevor’s Star up for missile production—we’re still inventorying our mobile repair and construction capabilities, and I’m sure some of them will help—but I’ll be extraordinarily surprised if we can get new missile lines into production in less than ten T-months. And even then, it’s going to take us a long time to ramp back up to anywhere near the production levels we had yesterday. Given the fact that our tactical advantages are so hugely bound up with our missile superiority, and given the numbers of missiles required to destroy or mission-kill even a Solarian ship-of-the-wall, that means our ability to take the war to the League has just evaporated. In fact, while it’s likely we have enough Apollos already in inventory to finish off the Republic if it comes to that, doing so would leave us with essentially none for use against the League for almost an entire T-year.”

Vince wrote:[

Mission of Honor, Chapter 30
...snip ...I remain confident that the missiles we have deployed are superior to those of any probable enemy, but the ones we already have aboard ship, or aboard ammunition ships assigned to our fleet formations, are all the missiles we have. All we’re going to have until we can rebuild our production facilities . . . snip ...

Italics are the author's, boldface and underlined text is my emphasis.

Weird Harold wrote:I don't recall any mention of missile stockpiles. The primary missile production lines were destroyed, and obviously any missiles that hadn't been shipped, but no mention of stockpiles in the discussion of possible missile shortages.

kzt wrote:You typically store your bulk naval munitions at your naval bases. The 3 largest naval bases all blowed up.

kzt wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:I don't recall any mention of missile stockpiles. The primary missile production lines were destroyed, and obviously any missiles that hadn't been shipped, but no mention of stockpiles in the discussion of possible missile shortages.

You typically store your bulk naval munitions at your naval bases. The 3 largest naval bases all blowed up.

thinkstoomuch wrote:

kzt wrote:You typically store your bulk naval munitions at your naval bases. The 3 largest naval bases all blowed up.

Right so the 2 largest munitions points in the US are Norfolk and San Diego. Except they are not.

Logic fail.

T2M

kzt wrote:Duh, ammunition storage points are not the same as ammunition manufacturing plants. I have no idea why you think they are. Those long narrow earth covered objects behind the high fences do not contain people building missiles. They contain containerized missiles built somewhere else.

It should also be kept in mind that in the Honorverse a stored missile is just a collection of electronics, it doesn't contain explosives and highly energetic chemicals that might explode in a fire. So you don't need to store it like it is full of stuff that might blow up, because it won't.

kzt wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:I don't recall any mention of missile stockpiles. The primary missile production lines were destroyed, and obviously any missiles that hadn't been shipped, but no mention of stockpiles in the discussion of possible missile shortages.

You typically store your bulk naval munitions at your naval bases. The 3 largest naval bases all blowed up.

Theemile wrote:Yes, but you also had major bases at Basilisk, Trevor's star (where active operations based out of), Hancock, and Sidemore. You also have major defensive installations at the Major and Minor Allies's systems - which probably have full reloads handy in the event they are used.

Not to mention, you have supply ships moving back and forth between bases to top off their supplies - when a base is months away from supply, you have to assume that it has been using ammunition , even if it hasn't, so a steady stream of supply ships should be moving between the advanced base and supply at allatimes.

It would take months, but you could reroute the supply ships, strip the bases that are now in your rear, and cut the pre-placed defenses in 1/2 (or less, depending on the exposure and "target-worthiness" of the system.) It's not going to last forever, but there should be a fair # of munitions dispersed around.

thinkstoomuch wrote:

kzt wrote:Duh, ammunition storage points are not the same as ammunition manufacturing plants. I have no idea why you think they are. Those long narrow earth covered objects behind the high fences do not contain people building missiles. They contain containerized missiles built somewhere else.

It should also be kept in mind that in the Honorverse a stored missile is just a collection of electronics, it doesn't contain explosives and highly energetic chemicals that might explode in a fire. So you don't need to store it like it is full of stuff that might blow up, because it won't.

Read what I quoted of your post. With zero text evidence you hand wavum where and why people store the ammunition.

What does it take to make a SLBM to go off. Where are they stored? Hint it is not at a boomer base.

So the universe functions as kzt says. Not the author who has text that states Manticore has ~2.5 MILLION missile pods. Which somehow approximates what I calculated back when for the numbers produced prior to the Yawata Strike. Actually I think they are a little higher than what I calculated..

Right.

Whatever you say,
T2M

PS. As an aside was Home Fleet actually based at the stations at that time. I mean every slip was either building ships including "Grayson" styule ones. For that matter is there really a base for something that can just as well hang out in space, using no resources room. Based on Home FLeets timeline of actions during the BoMa I would say not. Pretty sure all the available space in the stations was pretty much in use. But that is straight conjecture.

PPS. Again I have no desire for RFC to explain it to me.